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The refit of our 424 is going well. Fuel tank pressure tested well.
Just installed my new filter set-up and valve panel, on the fwd and std
sides of the main bilge hatch. Still plenty of room to get in and out
of the bilge… which is what I did most of today… in and out… The
new tank is ~95gal and fits between the main bilge and mast area.
Pictures soon.Now… any ideas on where I should mount the Spectra water maker and the
RO membrane?Thanks,
Pete
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Pete,
Sounds like you’re having too much fun. I don’t know the dimensions of your
Spectra, but I mounted my PUR 12V watermaker in the footlocker beneath the
salon companionway steps. I had to raise the locker a couple of inches to
make it work, but it’s a good fit and a handy location. On the down side,
it’s kind of loud when in operation.Tor
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Yup. With the scuba compressor and the 200amp alternator, not room for
much else on the Kubota. Also like the idea of running off of wind and
solar.Pete
On 6/19/2010 8:11 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Ah Pete you cheated and went commercial….. Dont know about anything else but my membranes fit very nicely up under the aft lazerate.
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Pete,
Here is a link to the writeup Jack Tyler did on his Spectra installation.http://www.svsarah.com/Whoosh/WhooshPacificPrepWaterMaker.html
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Pete Dubler <> wrote:
Quote:Yup. With the scuba compressor and the 200amp alternator, not room for
much else on the Kubota. Also like the idea of running off of wind and
solar.Pete
On 6/19/2010 8:11 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Ah Pete you cheated and went commercial….. Dont know about anything
else but my membranes fit very nicely up under the aft lazerate.
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thanks John
On 6/19/2010 9:17 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Pete,
Here is a link to the writeup Jack Tyler did on his Spectra installation.http://www.svsarah.com/Whoosh/WhooshPacificPrepWaterMaker.html
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Pete Dubler<> wrote:
Quote:Yup. With the scuba compressor and the 200amp alternator, not room for
much else on the Kubota. Also like the idea of running off of wind and
solar.Pete
On 6/19/2010 8:11 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Ah Pete you cheated and went commercial….. Dont know about anything
else but my membranes fit very nicely up under the aft lazerate.
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Boy, Jack’s locker looks like the wide open spaces compared to mine. I
have a large water heater and above that a freedom inverter in that same
space. I am thinking bilge again, which as you know is my favorite
space on the boat…On 6/19/2010 9:17 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Pete,
Here is a link to the writeup Jack Tyler did on his Spectra installation.http://www.svsarah.com/Whoosh/WhooshPacificPrepWaterMaker.html
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Pete Dubler<> wrote:
Quote:Yup. With the scuba compressor and the 200amp alternator, not room for
much else on the Kubota. Also like the idea of running off of wind and
solar.Pete
On 6/19/2010 8:11 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Ah Pete you cheated and went commercial….. Dont know about anything
else but my membranes fit very nicely up under the aft lazerate.
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Yikes! Not the bilge!!
The water maker requires a lot of maintenance, and getting to it in the bilge would be a nightmare. IMHO.Pete,
I have a Spectra 200C and I am happy with it. Everything in Johns’ paper is RIGHT ON !I have it mounted in the port lazerette, with the Clarke Pump and Membrane aft and the control panels and filters, accumulator water pump forward. This is a good arrangement. I have my water heater under the bed in the aft stateroom, my inverter and wind/solar control box are in the hanging locker by the nav station.
Joe,
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I don’t have Jack’s water maker – I have a Pur Survivor 35 which is enough
to keep someone alive if not swimming in water. Turns out, Jack is right.
Everywhere I cruised they had water. Food, too. These facts are very
important to remember. All people eat, drink and poo.But someone gave me the water maker and what the heck, I had it rebuilt at
the factory and got the cruising kit and installed it.I know it works, I’ve never used it and because of that it probably needs a
new membrane by now.But here’s where I put it (see the piccies). I’ve made other openings in
the cabin sole for just these purposes. To see how I made the opening, see
http://thesailinglife.blogspot.com/2008/11/there-is-never-enough-space.htmlBob
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Pete Dubler <> wrote:
Quote:Boy, Jack’s locker looks like the wide open spaces compared to mine. I
have a large water heater and above that a freedom inverter in that same
space. I am thinking bilge again, which as you know is my favorite space on
the boat…On 6/19/2010 9:17 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Pete,
Here is a link to the writeup Jack Tyler did on his Spectra installation.http://www.svsarah.com/Whoosh/WhooshPacificPrepWaterMaker.html
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Pete Dubler<>
wrote:Quote:Yup. With the scuba compressor and the 200amp alternator, not room for
much else on the Kubota. Also like the idea of running off of wind and
solar.Pete
On 6/19/2010 8:11 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Ah Pete you cheated and went commercial….. Dont know about anything
else but my membranes fit very nicely up under the aft lazerate.
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Hey Bob,
If you pickled your water maker’s membrane with that stuff the manufacturer
sells for the purpose, then it’ll more that likely be OK even after a year
or two of sitting idle. They recommend re-pickling annually for long-term
storage, but I know from my own past negligence that’s not an absolute.As for finding drinking water everywhere you cruise, it surely depends on
the type and location of the cruising. I’ve kept myself supplied with ample
water on 2 and 3-week offshore passages with that little PUR, to the point
that I was able to indulge in freshwater showers daily. (Blasphemy, cry the
old salts!) Soon I’ll be in the San Blas islands. I expect to catch more
than enough rain water this time or year, but I’ve hung out in remote
islands where boats without water makers had to leave and sail long
distances to refill their water tanks, while those of us with could stay put
as long as the peanut butter held out.Don’t write off that little PUR unit. You may yet find it a great boon to
your cruising.Tor
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True everyone drinks…. but where they get their water is not always accessible to the cruiser.
Case in point, This winter in St Lucia there was a water shortage. A lot of boats had to sail to Martinique to have their tanks filled. There was no water at any cost! Well, unless you were paying a 2.00US a foot for a slip.
I considered my water maker as a desire only because I did not want the PITA factor in thinking about where I wanted to go, how long I wanted to be there and having to think about lugging water every couple of days.
30 gal/hr sure was a luxury…..
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Tor, Completely agree with you. Nothing worse than finding that perfect anchorage and having to pick up and leave cause your out of water. There were two boats I remember in Union Island (Chatham Bay) that had that problem.
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Hi Alan and Joe,
If that’s in response to my post, the filter is the big round thing on the
bottom of the picture is the filter – the good thing is that opening it
drains directly to the bilge…Bob
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Good point, Alan. And it ain’t free, either! Right now freshwater costs (are
you sitting down?) US$.022 per gallon at the fuel dock in Curacao. Oy! In
addition, the water you can get in many Third World harbors isn’t always
what you’d want in your tanks. Some of it is downright polluted, potable
only to the locals (and they tend to die young). I just finished cleaning
out a puddle of brown powdery sludge that settled to the bottom of my water
tanks after I topped off in Grenada. God only knows what it was. Of course,
I filter my water – first through a big, all-purpose filter for general use
throughout the boat, and again through a pair of Removes Everything type
filters at the drinking water tap in the galley.Even catching rain water isn’t always ideal. I once filled my boat’s tank
from a downpour in the Abacos only to find it full of black cinders, some
quarter-sized! Seems that squall had passed over an island to windward
that’d had a big brush fire recently. The winds picked up the ash and
carried it many miles to deposit in my tanks along with the rain. For that
matter, I avoid catching rainwater near any large city. Raindrops will
condense around the pollutants in the air.Nah, water makers are the way to go. Best water you can get – as long as you
use them only in clean seawater.Tor
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It’s been said that the next world war will be over water….. not oil. Look at how the southern states want water from the Great Lakes and the Great lakes people won’t give it up…… and this is just the beginning
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Nah, the next world war will be over American Idol.
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Bob,
Thanks. Is this under the galley? The Spectra is a bit taller the one
you show, but I will measure it. I am getting good at cutting sole
hatches… the whole salon sole is cut out for the new fuel tank.
PeteOn 6/20/2010 8:10 AM, Robert Fine wrote:
Quote:I don’t have Jack’s water maker – I have a Pur Survivor 35 which is enough
to keep someone alive if not swimming in water. Turns out, Jack is right.
Everywhere I cruised they had water. Food, too. These facts are very
important to remember. All people eat, drink and poo.But someone gave me the water maker and what the heck, I had it rebuilt at
the factory and got the cruising kit and installed it.I know it works, I’ve never used it and because of that it probably needs a
new membrane by now.But here’s where I put it (see the piccies). I’ve made other openings in
the cabin sole for just these purposes. To see how I made the opening, see
http://thesailinglife.blogspot.com/2008/11/there-is-never-enough-space.htmlBob
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Pete Dubler<> wrote:
Quote:Boy, Jack’s locker looks like the wide open spaces compared to mine. I
have a large water heater and above that a freedom inverter in that same
space. I am thinking bilge again, which as you know is my favorite space on
the boat…On 6/19/2010 9:17 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Pete,
Here is a link to the writeup Jack Tyler did on his Spectra installation.http://www.svsarah.com/Whoosh/WhooshPacificPrepWaterMaker.html
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Pete Dubler<>
wrote:Quote:Yup. With the scuba compressor and the 200amp alternator, not room for
much else on the Kubota. Also like the idea of running off of wind and
solar.Pete
On 6/19/2010 8:11 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Ah Pete you cheated and went commercial….. Dont know about anything
else but my membranes fit very nicely up under the aft lazerate.
alan— On Sat, 6/19/10, Pete Dubler<> wrote:
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Hi Pete,
Yes – I have the ‘L’ shaped galley and the hatch is about 6″ forward of the
sink cabinet and about 12″ inboard of the refrigerator and stove. It’s
about 30″ long and 18″ wide.For anyone who hasn’t looked – there is a tremendous amount of usable space
under the sole that Pearson didn’t think you need access to.Maybe in 1978 you didn’t but we sure do now!
Bob
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Pete Dubler <> wrote:
Quote:Bob,Thanks. Is this under the galley? The Spectra is a bit taller the one you
show, but I will measure it. I am getting good at cutting sole hatches…
the whole salon sole is cut out for the new fuel tank.
PeteOn 6/20/2010 8:10 AM, Robert Fine wrote:
Quote:I don’t have Jack’s water maker – I have a Pur Survivor 35 which is
enough
to keep someone alive if not swimming in water. Turns out, Jack is right.
Everywhere I cruised they had water. Food, too. These facts are very
important to remember. All people eat, drink and poo.But someone gave me the water maker and what the heck, I had it rebuilt at
the factory and got the cruising kit and installed it.I know it works, I’ve never used it and because of that it probably needs
a
new membrane by now.But here’s where I put it (see the piccies). I’ve made other openings in
the cabin sole for just these purposes. To see how I made the opening,
seehttp://thesailinglife.blogspot.com/2008/11/there-is-never-enough-space.html
Bob
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Pete Dubler<>
wrote:Quote:Boy, Jack’s locker looks like the wide open spaces compared to mine. I
have a large water heater and above that a freedom inverter in that same
space. I am thinking bilge again, which as you know is my favorite space
on
the boat…On 6/19/2010 9:17 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Pete,
Here is a link to the writeup Jack Tyler did on his Spectra
installation.http://www.svsarah.com/Whoosh/WhooshPacificPrepWaterMaker.html
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Pete Dubler<>
wrote:Quote:Yup. With the scuba compressor and the 200amp alternator, not room for
much else on the Kubota. Also like the idea of running off of wind and
solar.Pete
On 6/19/2010 8:11 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Ah Pete you cheated and went commercial….. Dont know about anything
else but my membranes fit very nicely up under the aft lazerate.
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Joe,
The new tank is integral to the hull and made of fiberglass.
(orthothalic polyester resin mostly and a last internal layer or two of
isothalic polyester resin). In the space where the old tank was I am
putting the Kubota 12V gen/scuba compressor. It would be very difficult
to put a fabricated tank into the salon because 1) the hull is not
exactly a simple shape to mimic in metal and 2) the tank has to be very
wide and relatively shallow. There would be no way to get it into the
boat. As it is, the largest panel that I could fit through the
companionway was 41″ wide. I will be writing up the tank construction
and putting out pictures when I have some time.All the best,
Pete
On 6/22/2010 4:37 AM, joe shimkonis wrote:
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I’d like to see your fuel tank installation.And is it a custom tank or off the shelf?Also-do you still have the old tanks in the old space?________________________________
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