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I’m planning to mount a (wire) winch on the side of my mainmast. Because the winch base is flat and the
mast side is curved, I want to put a winch mounting plate in between them; one side flat and the other
matching the mast’s curve. I believe I could fabricate one out of fiber reinforced epoxy, but I’ve got
enough projects going already. Does anyone know a source for winch mounting pads that match the curvature
of the 424’s mast?Tor
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Tor,
I would normally recommend you go to Rig-Rite, but given the recent experience of another owner I would temper that recommendation a bit. Maybe the other outfit recommended by that owner can make one.
I had a good experience with Rig-Rite, but that was 5 years ago and things appeared to have changed.
The other option would be any plastics fabricator in your area. Just give them a drawing of the pad you want fabricated and they should be able to turn one out in short order – will likely be expensive though.
Another option is Sailorman in Ft. Lauderdale. They carry lots of odd stuff. It might require a drive down there to find exactly the right pad.John
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I'm planning to mount a (wire) winch on the side of my mainmast. Because the winch base is flat and the
mast side is curved, I want to put a winch mounting plate in between them; one side flat and the other
matching the mast's curve. I believe I could fabricate one out of fiber reinforced epoxy, but I've got
enough projects going already. Does anyone know a source for winch mounting pads that match the curvature
of the 424's mast?Tor
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Thanks, John. I like your last suggestion best. We have Sailor’s Exchange in nearby St. Augustine, FL. In fact, that’s where I found this wire winch. Wish I’d thought to check for mounting pads at the same time.
I was hoping someone in our 424 group had been through this and could say, oh, call so-and-so, they have the mold or they have a generic part that works. Barring that (or getting lucky at the used boat gear place), maybe I’ll have to fabricate my own part after all. I’m pretty sure I’ve figured out a fairly easy way to do it and it would be kind of fun.
Tor
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Hi Tor,
Just 2 cents, but I'd use HDPE which is the generic name for 'Starboard' and is pretty cheap. It's easily machined, never cracks, chips, peels, splits, checks or powders. You could do the whole thing with a bandsaw. Also, it's non-conductive.
Bob
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Thanks, John. I like your last suggestion best. We have Sailor's Exchange in nearby St. Augustine, FL. In fact, that's where I found this wire winch. Wish I'd thought to check for mounting pads at the same time.I was hoping someone in our 424 group had been through this and could say, oh, call so-and-so, they have the mold or they have a generic part that works. Barring that (or getting lucky at the used boat gear place), maybe I'll have to fabricate my own part after all. I'm pretty sure I've figured out a fairly easy way to do it and it would be kind of fun.
Tor
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Tor,
I'd give Rig Rite a call. They stock aluminum winch pads and they also know the Pearson spar dimensions. One bad experience by a 424 owner may not be the norm. In my experience they were laid-back, but met my expectations. They are definitely not the folks you want to deal with if you need it yesterday.John
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Quote:Hi Tor,Just 2 cents, but I'd use HDPE which is the generic name for 'Starboard' and is pretty cheap. It's easily machined, never cracks, chips, peels, splits, checks or powders. You could do the whole thing with a bandsaw. Also, it's non-conductive.
Bob
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Quote:Thanks, John. I like your last suggestion best. We have Sailor's Exchange in nearby St. Augustine, FL. In fact, that's where I found this wire winch. Wish I'd thought to check for mounting pads at the same time.I was hoping someone in our 424 group had been through this and could say, oh, call so-and-so, they have the mold or they have a generic part that works. Barring that (or getting lucky at the used boat gear place), maybe I'll have to fabricate my own part after all. I'm pretty sure I've figured out a fairly easy way to do it and it would be kind of fun.
Tor
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Hey Bob,
I agree Starboard is well suited to this sort of application, but I don’t want to pay a “pro” to make this thing for hundreds of dollars, and I’ll be darned if I’d know how to get the exact mast curvature into one side of a Starboard block. Even if I scribed the curve onto the ‘board’s edge and managed to gain access to a band saw – not likely where I am – it’d be a very tricky cut to execute perfectly. Or maybe I’m making a bigger deal out of it than it really is.
My thought is to tape wax paper around the mast, tape an 8 or 10″ square piece of fiberglass cloth flat over that at the place I’ll be mounting the winch, and apply resin to the cloth. When it hardens I’ll have the exact curve. From there it’s relatively quick & easy to build up the >1″ thickness I need with epoxy resin & mat, finish the outward side flat with resin & 404 filler, trim the whole to the 6″ diameter pad I need, and drill three mounting holes to match the winch base. A couple of coats of UV paint should help it live way longer than I’m likely to. Like I said, kind of a fun little project, but another project nonetheless, which I don’t really need just now.
Anyway, that’s the best I’ve come up with. Am wide open to better ideas! Meanwhile, I will check with Sailor’s Exchange to see if they just happen to have a pad that fits.
Thanks,
Tor
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Hi Tor,
That's a perfect idea. I have access to a band saw and would cut it out of a block, but your method will work marvelously. In my case, I'd end up with resin all over the mast, sail, sail cover, deck, mast pulpits, wood work, cabin sole, engine, wheel, binnacle, and probably wind sensor. As well as myself. I avoid fiberglass work whenever possible – even to the extent of just carving something out with chisels and drawknife or rocks and sticks.
Bob
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Quote:Hey Bob,I agree Starboard is well suited to this sort of application, but I don't want to pay a “pro” to make this thing for hundreds of dollars, and I'll be darned if I'd know how to get the exact mast curvature into one side of a Starboard block. Even if I scribed the curve onto the 'board's edge and managed to gain access to a band saw – not likely where I am – it'd be a very tricky cut to execute perfectly. Or maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of it than it really is.
My thought is to tape wax paper around the mast, tape an 8 or 10″ square piece of fiberglass cloth flat over that at the place I'll be mounting the winch, and apply resin to the cloth. When it hardens I'll have the exact curve. From there it's relatively quick & easy to build up the >1″ thickness I need with epoxy resin & mat, finish the outward side flat with resin & 404 filler, trim the whole to the 6″ diameter pad I need, and drill three mounting holes to match the winch base. A couple of coats of UV paint should help it live way longer than I'm likely to. Like I said, kind of a fun little project, but another project nonetheless, which I don't really need just now.
Anyway, that's the best I've come up with. Am wide open to better ideas! Meanwhile, I will check with Sailor's Exchange to see if they just happen to have a pad that fits.
Thanks,
Tor
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Worth a try, for sure, John. So I just tried calling Rig Rite and I already don’t like them. They employ one of those endless recording systems that asks you to select option 1, 2, 3 or 4, and then dumps you into another recording with 6 more choices, ad nauseam. I never did get to speak to a human being. In the end, I left a call-back voicemail message, but won’t hold my breath waiting for a return call. Incredibly, they don’t offer the option of emailing them – there is no email address on their web site that I could find – but they do invite you to fax them! Wow, someone who actually still uses a fax machine to conduct business. How ’80’s.
Tor
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Hi Tor,
You won't get a call back. Fax your needs. It's the only way they communicate. They've been that way since the '80's.
Bob
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Quote:Worth a try, for sure, John. So I just tried calling Rig Rite and I already don't like them. They employ one of those endless recording systems that asks you to select option 1, 2, 3 or 4, and then dumps you into another recording with 6 more choices, ad nauseam. I never did get to speak to a human being. In the end, I left a call-back voicemail message, but won't hold my breath waiting for a return call. Incredibly, they don't offer the option of emailing them – there is no email address on their web site that I could find – but they do invite you to fax them! Wow, someone who actually still uses a fax machine to conduct business. How '80's.Tor
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I felt the same way about fiberglassing until very recently. Then I had to learn how to do it to re-deck my foredeck (and other jobs related to that project). Turns out it’s not so hard and, in fact, I’m pretty good at it already. (I’ve had some professional advice along the way.) To apply resin to a vertical surface as I’m thinking of doing in this case, I’d thicken the resin a bit with filler so that it doesn’t run, and put down a drop cloth, too. Anyway, I’d only be doing the first part at the mast. Once I have the curved piece of hardened cloth, I can finish the fabrication at the work bench.
Tor
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No phone, no email? That is not a company I care to do business with.
Tor
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Well, they do have a phone and they do have email. They don't use them for incoming communications. They're really not that organized, I don't think. Also, RigRite has been in business since the '60's or so and their way of doing business isn't the modern way, as you could so readily surmise.
But – and it's a big one – they have stuff no one else has. And if you want to deal with them, you just play the game. If not, break out the resin, hardener and thickener and go to town!
Bob
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Quote:No phone, no email? That is not a company I care to do business with.Tor
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A year ago, when I broke the mizzen sail track gate. I
simply faxed RigRite a sketch of the part I needed.
They called back a day later said they had the part. I
had it in week. I know not very high tech but, they do
stock a lot of Pearson parts.
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Well, they do have a phone and they do have email.
They don’t use them for
incoming communications. They’re really not that
organized, I don’t think.
Also, RigRite has been in business since the ’60’s
or so and their way of
doing business isn’t the modern way, as you could so
readily surmise.But – and it’s a big one – they have stuff no one
else has. And if you want
to deal with them, you just play the game. If not,
break out the resin,
hardener and thickener and go to town!Bob
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to do business with.
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Fiberglass Reinforced Plastic (FRP) would probababy work even better. Laminated a few 1/2 inch sections together and shape to fit. Takes paint very well. No clue where you get it, but every yard uses it. Laminates can be glued with 5200 or epoxy.
A commercial portable belt sander (the big round end) could be used to create the mating surface.
I'll take a picture of the aluminum stand-off my main is attached too if you like. A machine shop could make a duplicate.On 6/25/08, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
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I agree Starboard is well suited to this sort of application,
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Well, Rig Rite just surprised me by returning my phone call. (I take back half the bad things I said about them.) A woman named Megan basically told me to go to their web site to identify my mast. She also (reluctantly) gave me an email address for them: () .
I could not find a matching mast on their site to identify the manufacturer and model of my 1978 boat’s mainmast, so I emailed them just now with the measurements, etc. Will let you know if/when/what I hear back.
Tor
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Hi Chuck,
FRP is what I’m talking about using for the fabrication, only substituting epoxy resin for polyester. You seem to be talking about some kind of pre-fab fiberglass FRP panels or plates, which would be handy except for having to attempt to then duplicate the mast’s precise curvature with a belt sander. It could probably be done, but it’s be a lot of trial and error. What I proposed will reproduce the exact curvature instantly.
I have some original aluminum winch pads on the mast now, so your kind offer to take photos won’t be necessary. Thanks, though.
Tor
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Selden makes a winch pad that is pretty much universal you might
try them. David ThompsonOn Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Silver Heels wrote:
I’m planning to mount a (wire) winch on the side of my mainmast.
Because the winch base is flat and the
mast side is curved, I want to put a winch mounting plate in between
them; one side flat and the other
matching the mast’s curve. I believe I could fabricate one out of
fiber reinforced epoxy, but I’ve got
enough projects going already. Does anyone know a source for winch
mounting pads that match the curvature
of the 424’s mast?Tor
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Thanks, David! I was hoping someone might prefabricate these things. I’ve just submitted a query to Selden Masts.
Tor
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For the record, Selden Masts’ 180 mm winch-to-mast mounting pad/bracket #523-044-01 will probably work on our 424 mainmasts. It retails for $134.
Tor
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There is generic mounting plate for mounting a winch on any curved mast. I
have one on my mast where I mounted a spinnaker winch. I don’t have a good
photo, but you can see the plate in the attached photo. It is under the
large top winch on the left side of the mast. It is a plate that mounts on
your mast. The winch then mounts to the plate. As I remember, it comes
pre-drilled for specific winches, but you could custom drill it. I bought
mine from the guys below:
http://www.nerigging.com/Rich Carter
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Thanks, Rich. I couldn’t find the part on their web site right off, so I’ve queried them by email.
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Rich,
Thanks again for that link to North East Rigging. They wrote back (very quickly), saying:
“MetalMast was the builder of the vast majority of Pearson 424 masts. They went out of business last
year. We have a used S.S mast/winch base here which could be had for $30.”Needless to say, I’m grabbing it.
Tor
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Try contacting Dick Conti at (). Beats Rig-Rite. Megan called me finally after Dick called her to intercede for me. I don’t have Dick’s phone number in front of me, but I have sent it to the maillist in previous emails on mast steps.
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