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I’ve seen that, John, and it seems to be equally acceptable. I just preferred spreading the strain on the line over a much greater area with the long spice. In fact, I made mine almost twice as long as the example in those instructions, tapering it towards the end.
Whatever. If it works, it works.
Tor
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Different strokes…
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Rodd,
Your anchor platform support strut sounds practical.
That maneuver of switching the anchor rode from the drum to the gypsy can be dicey in 35′ of water, with the anchor and all that chain hanging straight down. You have to actually lift it a foot or so to get some links into the gypsy, and do it quickly before it backslides. Many chain gypsies today can also handle line. Mine does, so I joined the 3/8″ anchor chain and 5/8″ line together with a long warp-to-chain splice (instructions attached). The transition from line to chain in the gypsy is smooth and automatic.
As for switching the anchor rode load off the rollers, since the first 150′ of my primary anchor’s rode is all chain, I employ a snubber once the anchor’s set. My snubber is a 10′ length of 3-strand, 5/8″ nylon line eye-spliced to a strongly-backed eye-bolt in the boat’s stem about 18″ above the waterline. This line is stowed in place, with the other end secured at the bow until I need it. Once my anchor is set, I attach the snubber to the chain with a rolling hitch (you can use a chain hook) and then feed out another 12′ or so of chain. This puts the strain on the snubber and takes it off the chain entirely, which then hands slightly loose from the anchor roller. The snubber removes the strain from the roller, acts as a shock absorber, and lowers the anchor rode’s angle of pull so that you need less scope to achieve a 5:1 or 7:1 scope/depth ratio. For this last reason, it can also make sense to use a snubber with an anchor line, and the snubber will eliminate anchor line chafe.
Tor
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Rich,
What size (weight) is your Bruce? How much chain on it?
Tor
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Bingo!
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John,
That sounds about right. My two anchor rollers are almost but not quite the same, again suggesting one was added later. I haven’t seen many newer 424’s. A double-roller platform would probably be an improvement, although my rollers seem to keep the anchors far enough away from the raked stem. Hopefully the platform incorporates a strut to the stem for added support.
Tor
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So, this pig walks into a bar….
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Yep, I knew.
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All very good points, Pat. The problem is you can’t check any of those things until you’re looking at a sail they made, so it’s really only applicable after the fact. Quantum Sails is a known entity with a terrific reputation. You pay top dollar for that and it may well be worth it. Still, you can probably get equal and even on occasion superior quality elsewhere, and for less money, but many other sailmakers fall under the heading of “a pig in a poke.” (Where’d that weird phrase come from, anyway?) That’s why I suggested asking overseas sailmakers for a list of US-customer references.
Tor
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Yes, holy smokes. As I said, I’m not buying now. My boat came with what seem to be serviceable sails, enough (I hope) to get me down islands and keep me moving for a while. I was mainly pricing for a new genoa, which I may buy before I head to the West Indies. A complete new suit of sails is probably inevitable at some point, but I’ll hold off as long as I can.
Chances are someone else among us will be ordering sails before I will. Like you, I’d like to hear how it goes if they order from Hong Kong.
Tor
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Aw, shucks.
As to water sloshing over the cabin sole, I’ve installed (1) a bilge alarm, which beeps in the nav station and lights up LED lights there and in the cockpit so I know when the pump is cycling on, and (2) a high water alarm via a float switch about 14″ above the deep sump bottom, which sounds a car horn that’ll wake up everyone within 100 yards (plus its own set of LED lights, nav station & cockpit). If Silver Heels springs a leak, I’ll know about it well before it gets anywhere near the floorboards.
Tor
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Hey Bob,
Sure, you’re right about the above-waterline thru-hulls being submerged sometimes. Still, I believe most boats (including ours) are built without seacocks on above-waterline thru-hull fittings. Seems to me if you start out with new hoses & clamps and inspect/replace them periodically, the chances of one opening up while sailing are slim. In half a century messing around with boats I’ve never heard of it happening. That’s not to say it can’t happen, but if it does it’s easily remedied, beginning with changing tacks or heaving-to. Next you have to remember where you stowed those big wood bungs!
This is only my take on it. What matters on your boat, of course, is your take. If you’ll enjoy the cruise more knowing all waterline thru-hulls have seacocks, then you should definitely install them. I might even do it myself some day, just on the principle that safer is usually better.
Tor
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Bob,
Soon after I bought my boat, I sealed up a bunch of her underwater thru-hulls and relocated some of those seacocks to above-waterline discharges. I think my cockpit drains were already above the waterline, though.
Tor
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Hi Pat,
I believe Hong Kong sailmakers have been making excellent sails for decades. I got quotes from two Hong Kong sailmakers recently (both attached). Prices are a fraction of your numbers. Hard to know what you’re going to get from any overseas loft – or from many US lofts, for that matter – but I’ll bet they’d provide US customer references if asked. I’m not at the point of ordering yet. Will research it more when the time comes. Meanwhile, if anyone does buy (or has bought) from a Hong Kong outfit I’d appreciate hearing about the results.
Tor
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That is a remarkable achievement, Norris, and no doubt very strong.
Tor
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