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Tor,
I have the same charger, except mine is the 40A model. The rating is indeed for the DC output of the charger not the AC input. I have the Xantrex remote panel so I can monitor the output of the charger. I have never seen the 40A output on the panel display. Granted it is a simple LED display for 40, 20, 10, 5, .. amps, so accuracy is not to be expected. Generally I see the 20A LED on when charging a depleted battery. It drops down to 10A after about an hour, then slowly drops to whatever the service load is after that. So, my guess is your 20A charger may put out 20A initially for a minute or so, but drops to 15A or less for the remainder of the charging cycle. It would be interesting to know what Xantrex says about this, but we all know contacting Xantrex technical support is the definitiion of futility.So I think you'll have a lot of unused capacity if you use the Honda to only run your charger.
John
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Hi Tor,You are correct – even if your charger can do 20 amps DC, in AC terms, it's like 2.5 amps (inefficiencies in all the stuff), but I'm sure the charger will output a great deal more for short periods of time. In any case, though, the generator will suffice to power it.
All my AC goes through my charger/inverter – it's rated, oddly, at 20 amps continuous, not 30 as you'd expect. But I've never popped the breaker before the generator's breaker pops….
Bob
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Thanks for the mini-lesson, Bob. Perhaps it's like Bob Marley sang: “Every little thing gonna' be all right.”
Still, I find it odd that the Owner's Manual specs for this Xantrex Truecharge 20, which came with my boat, say:
Output Current : 20 amps continuous duty
Output Voltage, Charge: 13.8 – 14.8V DC (depending on setting)
Output Voltage, Float : 13.1 – 14.2V DC (depending on setting)
Input Voltage : (115VAC) 90-135VAC 48-62Hz
Efficiency : 85%Doesn't that appear to be saying this charger's output is 20 amps at 13.8 to 14.8V DC (depending on setting)? In other words, is it possible my 20 amp charger is not rated at 20 amps AC as yours seems to be, but at 20 amps DC? And if it is outputting 20 amps DC, then it seems a bit hopeful that a 16.7 amps maximum output from the Honda generator will be sufficient to power it.
The one glimmer of hope is that the Honda's output seems to be 16.7 amps AC, and from what you say that is equal to around 167 amps DC. If that's the case, then it should be able to easily power half a dozen battery chargers like mine.
Yes, no, maybe?Tor
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Pete,
It appears several 424s came without the teak covered coamings. I wish that were true of Sarah.2009/6/23 Pete Dubler < ([email][/email])>
Quote:Tor,Did you remove all the wood around the cockpit combing or did you boat come that way?
Pete
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Stern boarding gate photo attached. Note the capped hole where the bilge vent cowl used to be.
I didn't know Railmakers made extras of those mast pulpits. Good for you! Yes, that was a bunch of work to put together, but also a unique learning experience for me. Best of all, now that I've made even a brief offshore passage with the boat I'm _very_ glad I got them. Several times I was at the mast hoisting or dousing the mainsail in lumpy conditions. How much easier and safer it was being nestled securely into that railing and having both hands free to work with! I wouldn't want to go to sea again without mast pulpits (or else with all mainsail lines led aft). The guys who call them “sissy bars” or “chicken rails” or whatever are idiots, and almost certainly have never been offshore in a blow.Tor
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Alan,
No pics of the mounting. Lots of pics of the trial and tribs of generator maintenance.
http://www.svsarah.com/Sailing/ewBahamasGenset.htm
Just used to generate AC. No water maker.On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Alan < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:I think it will fit….. I got some final measuring to do. I was interested in how they mounted it. Do you have any pictures?
Do you use it just for generating or do you have a water maker in there too?
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Alan,
That is where my Northern Lights generator sits. However, I didn't do the install. Hartges Yard in Galesville, MD did it for the PO. They had to do some pretty sophisticated fiberglass work to put it in (wouldn't fit through the hatch opening). It sits on a bed in the lazarette. I assume your Kubota is much smaller and will fit in the hatch openning.On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Alan < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I finally got my 6 HP KUBOTA running. Now that I know it runs, I need to install it.
Who out there has a generator installed? I really want to put it in the aft lazerette.
I am thinking putting in a few stringers for and aft.
Anyone done this one yet.
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Thanks, Dale.
Look forward to meeting you.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:00 PM, dale < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Welcome to North Carolina. Cori and I are on Hi Flite here at Mathews Point. I work in New Bern but am off for the summer but will swing by next time we are in town. I am not familiar with the hurricane holes up river but we anchor out here in Clubfoot Creek for the storms. So far only had to deal with Ophelia and last years tropical storm so we are not yet “experts.”
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Alan,
I have only put the panels on the inside of my new engine cover. http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewEngineBox.htm
One of my projects this year is to complete the insulation of the aft portion of the engine compartment. I have the same perforated board (I've replaced the original twice), but I don't plant to put the insulation on that board, rather fit some thing 1/4″ plywood in front of the fuel tank and over the gaps on the side – then attached the panels to that plywood.
With just the engine box covered I still got a significant reduction in sound over the original cover, which had virtually no sound proofing on the sides. Of course some of that sound reduction could just be the new engine. No significant change in the heat from the engine box, but again too many things have changed (box, insulation, engine, engine bed) to make any comparisons with the previous arrangement.On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Alan < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I just purchased a mass of sound proofing panels from SailorSoulutions. I have a pretty good idea of how and where I want to install them. I am looking to see how other s have done the same job.
My boat came with brown perforated boards in both sail lockers that fitted in to place, separate the engine space from the lockers. Is this common with other boats?
What did you mount the panels to to sperate the lockers and engine space.?Once you put the panels in place did you notice a great increase in “heat” from the engine space? Any concerns?
Pictures?
thanks
Alan
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Definitely don't wear your turban while on deck
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
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I haven't decided yet about inside or outside to Beaufort. Mostly depends on what the wind is doing out there when I leave. Right now it's NE, dead on the nose for that leg. If I do use the ICW, I'll be sure to wear my flak jacket & helmet and fly my flag high. Thanks for the heads up.Tor
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Tor,
Are you planned to use the ICW from Wrightsville Beach or go outside to Morehead Cty?
If considering the ICW you may want to check on the activities at Camp Lejune. I was held up for over an hour just north of the Onslow Beach Bridge for a live fire exercise last week.On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:I believe they're called clevis pins, the little buggers.
We'll have to see about hooking up in the fall. If I find some suitable hurricane holes in the area of North Carolina I'm visiting, AND if I don't have to work the Annapolis sailboat show in October, then I probably won't go up to the Chesapeake at all. If, if, if…
In any case, the plan now is to be back in Beaufort, NC in November, top off provisions, and jump off from there for the Windward Islands, perhaps via Bermuda.
Or maybe I'll wise up, sell the boat, and get that cabin in the woods I was thinking about the other night when Neptune and Thor were having their little sport with me. Meanwhile, let's touch base early fall about meeting up!
Tor
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Yes, I was not referring to silicone sealant as found in WM stores, but a dielectric compound. I can't remember the name of the stuff I've used in the past, I think I picked it up at an electrical supply house. It may not be the best choice for this application, but I'm also not sure that the spray on battery terminal stuff will be that effective in the wet, corrosive atmosphere of your anchor locker.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Paul Lefebvre < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Tor:I am pretty sure John was probably talking about using silicone grease, which is pretty good for protecting electrical connections, among other things:
http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/silicone.htm
http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/silicone.htmPaul
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Tor,
Other than moving the control box out of the locker (I assume not practical) you might try encasing the contacts in silicone.On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I've got a Lofrans electric windlass with a control box mounted high up in the chain locker. I've just
discovered that the terminals on this box – connecting the power in, ground, foot switches and power to the
windlass motor – are gunked up and, in fact, shorted out with the kind of green corrosion you find on
neglected battery terminals. Anybody know the best stuff to put on those terminals once they're cleaned up, to
prevent a recurrence?Tor
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Tor,
August & September in the Chesapeake. You'll have to get north of Annapolis in August to avoid the worst of the Sea Nettle season. It'll be as hot as Florida most days, but south of Annapolis you can't jump in the water to cool off unless you're wearing a nettle suit or have an inflatable nettle pool to hang off the stern. By September things start to improve. October is usually the best cruising month on the Chesapeake. For some reason it always seemed that the nettles started to disappear around labor day. Maybe they have calendar.On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Aaron,
It's a different world outside the Northeast. I was paying about $300/mo. where I did my refit in NE FL, including liveaboard, water, and the (metered) electricity.
Tor
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BTW,
You must be getting a lot of T'storms down that way this afternoon. Looks like that weak front is south of here, but still lying right in your area. Hope it cools off a bit tomorrow. I'm more worried about heat stroke spending the summer in NC than I am of Hurricanes.On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Tor,
I can't argue against finding a real hole, but I think NC gets its reputation for Hurricanes because it sticks way out there and intercepts the hurricanes that re-curve off the coast. Those Hurricanes eventually head NE toward New England, but not before they plow through the NC Sounds area. I think if you look at the storm tracks in this area, those that go well inland do so north and east of this area. Storm surge still does most of the damage to boats and marinas. In Beaufort you have all of those boats on moorings, which don't handle surge very well. And of course Beaufort is basically open to the surge coming from the ocean.The best Hurricane holes are probably on the Chesapeake. You can go way up the rivers on the western shore and find little coves that will provide all-round protection. The Chesapeake gets significant storm surge only when the Hurricane tracks up the western shore, drawing water into the mouth of the bay. In over of 30 years on the Bay the only storm that came close to that worst case track was Isabel in 2003. We got about 4' of storm surge on the Patuxent, which did little damage. That same surge in Annapolis caused major damage.
This marina has floating docks, which can be problem is one of them breaks loose (as happen at the Ft. Pierce City Marina in 2004). At least the pilings are tall enough for a 6' surge.
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Tor,
I can't argue against finding a real hole, but I think NC gets its reputation for Hurricanes because it sticks way out there and intercepts the hurricanes that re-curve off the coast. Those Hurricanes eventually head NE toward New England, but not before they plow through the NC Sounds area. I think if you look at the storm tracks in this area, those that go well inland do so north and east of this area. Storm surge still does most of the damage to boats and marinas. In Beaufort you have all of those boats on moorings, which don't handle surge very well. And of course Beaufort is basically open to the surge coming from the ocean.The best Hurricane holes are probably on the Chesapeake. You can go way up the rivers on the western shore and find little coves that will provide all-round protection. The Chesapeake gets significant storm surge only when the Hurricane tracks up the western shore, drawing water into the mouth of the bay. In over of 30 years on the Bay the only storm that came close to that worst case track was Isabel in 2003. We got about 4' of storm surge on the Patuxent, which did little damage. That same surge in Annapolis caused major damage.
This marina has floating docks, which can be problem is one of them breaks loose (as happen at the Ft. Pierce City Marina in 2004). At least the pilings are tall enough for a 6' surge.
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Tor,
My understanding is that this area rarely gets serious attention from the Hurricanes. Maybe a lot of rain and wind, but very little storm surge. I really haven't looked into it in great detail, but I would guess the upper Neuse is pretty much off the surge path. I certainly would avoid all of the coastal areas, plus anything in the vicinity of Pamlico and Albemarle Sounds. My experience from a number off Hurricanes on the Chesapeake is to position oneself with as much watershed as possible between you and the coast. I think New Bern does that. Hope I don't have to find out.On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Thanks, John. I was more curious than planning, but who knows which way the wind will blow?
A question more on my mind for the immediate future is where are the best hurricane holes in that part of North Carolina, or is that an oxymoron? I'm sure you've looked into it (as I will when I get up there later this week). Any great discoveries you're willing to share?
Tor
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Tor,
I may have just lucked out on timing (the marina appears pretty full). This is the BridgePointe Marina.
There is another marina across the harbor (town side) that looks a little more upscale. I never inquired there. I'm paying a little less than $300/mo for a 50' slip. Electricity is metered. The operation is pretty laid-back and not a little dis-organized. When I originally inquired about a berth I was told they had this 50' slip, but there was a boat in it that was going to move. When I got here on Friday the manager showed where my slip would be and that the powerboat in it was moving this weekend. Yesterday afternoon I noticed the boat had left so I moved into the berth. This morning I got a knock on the hull and the guy who owns the powerboat says I'm in his slip. I said I was directed here by the manager and he said OK and put his boat in another open slip. The marina office is closed on weekends.
So I guess the rule is don't vacate your slip on a weekend.
I did inquire at the Mathews Pt. Marina, which is closer to Oriental (across the Neuse). Their rates were lower, but they also said my draught was at the limit of what they believe they can accommodate, although there is another P424 in that marina. I had already decided to check out this marina so I didn't ask about the Mathews Pt. live-aboard policy, but I have been told they do accommodate live-aboards.
I think the place that has very limited space for live-aboards is Oriental. Every place I inquired there would allow live-aboard only for transients.On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Hi John,
What are the rates at that marina in New Bern, or it's name / web site where I might find out? I heard there was a waiting list for liveaboard spots in New Bern, but maybe that was a different marina.
Silver Heels and I ducked into Masonboro Inlet late yesterday and anchored behind Wrightsville Beach after an eventful little sail outside from St. Mary's Inlet. Ought to be heading up to Beaufort (NC) in a few days.
Tor
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