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Sure electrical powered propulsion works well. The largest cruising
ships all use is. It is just a matter of scaling correctly and
economically.On 11/18/2011 9:10 PM, skipmac wrote:
I did not mean to imply that electric power would not work at all. I have read about a number of cruising boats that are running electric and have made major ocean crossings including significant distances under power.
But any system I have found that comes close to equivalent power to my W58 plus a generator to put out enough power to run it continuously, costs 2-3 times the price of a new diesel engine, transmission and V-drive together.
The more affordable systems I have found have much less power and often just enough range to motor out the channel.
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John,
It is awful to hear the troubles you have had here. To my recollection
you are not the first to have such problems though with mating up the
velvet drive. This goes to my comment earlier about the exceptional
engineering done by Beta when it came to their bobtail kit for the
Velvet drive. It was as simple as tightening four bolts (actually two
studs and two bolts) and two hose fittings. The bell was the right
length. No shims, no spacers – one piece. And the new damper plate was
included.Hopefully you will be back on the air soon and your wallet also restored.
All the best,
Pete
On 11/15/2011 4:05 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Originally sent to just Alan, but this may have wider interest.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com
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It would be even more awesome if he actually sailed it!
On 11/14/2011 12:42 PM, Pete Dubler wrote:
http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2011/09/15/awesome-sailing-maneuver-video/
On 11/14/2011 10:58 AM, Herbert Moore wrote:
captain gets his 80′ stick under a 65′ bridge on the ICW
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On 11/14/2011 10:58 AM, Herbert Moore wrote:
captain gets his 80′ stick under a 65′ bridge on the ICW
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link?
On 11/14/2011 8:17 AM, kalinowski wrote:
Watch how a clever captain gets his 80′ stick under a 65′ bridge on the ICW. He uses water bags weighing 2 tons suspended from halyards to heel over. This is on SAIL Magazine’s facebook page. Unbelievable!
Dan Kalinowski
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Local metal yards generally are pretty reasonable. At mine they have a
new pile of aluminum and of SS scrap every week at $2.00 per pound. I
make stuff out of the stainless and buff it up and it looks great.On 11/10/2011 4:03 PM, Silverheels wrote:
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oh Tor, those folks are so expensive…
On 11/10/2011 2:38 PM, Silverheels wrote:
If you’re fabricating in metal: http://www.onlinemetals.com/
Tor
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$3000?
Gosh, what do you think replating a winch drum would cost?
On 11/3/2011 4:42 PM, Chuck Ruble wrote:
Pete, re-chroming has become really expensive due to commodity pricing. I looked into doing the bronze bang rail. 3K.
Chrome plated bronze holds up really well over time if cared for.
I’ve got a good shop I use in VA Beach if you are interested.Chuck
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I certainly support doing it yourself ;^)
On 10/30/2011 1:38 PM, Unicorn wrote:
Pete, John,
Thank you very much for your rsponses and advice. Looks like I’ve got some more research to do and the Beta alternative looks good as I would like to be able to do some of the work myself._______________________________________________
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Regarding engine selection and installation, I have set-up a DropBox
with copies of the articles and several high-res photos. If you want
access, just send me your email so I can send you the DropBox invitation.A few comments:
– Beta provided a perfect bolt-on installation for the Velvet drive,
including a new damper and beautiful hoses to the cooler. (though
someone put in all bolts instead of two bolts and two studs.
– Beta had great suggestions for the exhaust and can provide a custom
hi-rise bent back exhaust manifold (see pictures)
– The Kubota has three possible position for the water pump take-off.
Only Beta takes advantage of this and can provide a fully engineered
(not a kluge) solution that puts the impeller facing forward once in our
424’s. By fully engineered for example, I mean this includes a solid,
custom bent pipe for routing the water instead of just a long rubber hose.
– The power take-off pulley add-on is beautifully engineered and
manufactured by Beta. Not a second thought, not depending on another
company, nothing to void your warranty.
– Beta also provided delayed commissioning, as noted in my article, such
that the warranty would not start until the boat goes back in the water
(several years in my particular case).
– Stanley at Beta in Washington, NC stocks an alternator brush swap out
that allows you to use your external fancy-smancy alternator regulator.Pete
On 10/29/2011 8:31 PM, Pete Dubler wrote:
Look at the Beta 50 as an option. See my articles on this. I picked
the beta over the yanmar. Beta is the best marinization of the Kubota
line. Parts are available everywhere, better warranty (Yanmar
disclaims warranty for example if you mount accessories like a
refrigeration compressor). You can also get the Beta 50 set-up with
the water pump positioned so the impeller is easy to replace in light
of our engines going in “backwards” Can’t do that with a Yanmar. If
you missed my articles on this in BWS, I can send you a reprint John.Pete
On 10/29/2011 5:10 PM, Unicorn wrote:
John,
Thanks for the information. I was actually looking at replacing with
a Yanmar. What size engine did you put in?
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Look at the Beta 50 as an option. See my articles on this. I picked
the beta over the yanmar. Beta is the best marinization of the Kubota
line. Parts are available everywhere, better warranty (Yanmar disclaims
warranty for example if you mount accessories like a refrigeration
compressor). You can also get the Beta 50 set-up with the water pump
positioned so the impeller is easy to replace in light of our engines
going in “backwards” Can’t do that with a Yanmar. If you missed my
articles on this in BWS, I can send you a reprint John.Pete
On 10/29/2011 5:10 PM, Unicorn wrote:
John,
Thanks for the information. I was actually looking at replacing with a Yanmar. What size engine did you put in?
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The cleats I have are massive and just over 10″. Definitely not
aluminum. Definitely plated. I can see from the holes I covered that
the original cleats had closer spread mounting holes.I am thinking I might end up with Sea-Dog heavy cleats 041712 (12″) on
the bow and 041710 (10″) on the stern.Pete
On 10/25/2011 6:20 PM, pat noordsij wrote:
Pete
The original cleats on our boat were marinium cleats, a cast aluminum
alloy. I believe they were made by Wilcox Crittenden. They certainly
were not chrome plated. They are relatively light in feel but heavy
walled. We have several “new” in the basement here that we picked up
on ebay several years ago – I think 2 of them are the 10″ with 4 screw
base.As for re-chroming – no experience.
– pat
Doris E….Pete Dubler wrote, On 10/25/11 7:09 PM:
So nobody here has any experience with re-chroming any parts?
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I have one as a back up to my main AP. It is belt-drive, not
autohelm, just set the heading and it steers. Can’t recall the brand
right now. Not as smart as the autohelm, but reliable.Pete
On 10/25/2011 4:43 PM, jamesminge wrote:
Does anyone have experience with these wheel-mounted belt-driven autopilots on the 424?
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I have one as a back up to my main AP. It is belt-drive, not
autohelm, just set the heading and it steers. Can’t recall the brand
right now. Not as smart as the autohelm, but reliable.Pete
On 10/25/2011 4:43 PM, jamesminge wrote:
Does anyone have experience with these wheel-mounted belt-driven autopilots on the 424?
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If you do go for the mule, let me know and we might make it an order for
two.On 10/21/2011 11:51 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:No mule, señor; only un burrito.I do have a mizzen staysail on board that I’ve yet to fly. Halyard’s in
place. No excuse. I used to fly one occasionally on a yawl I had long
ago. A mizzen staysail is a good light-air addition on a beam reach and
maybe 2 points up or down from there. Would love to add a mule to
Silverheels’ rig just for fun!Tor
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