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I have been away for a few days and just now catching up with the correspondence concerning the planned rendezvous at Point Judith. I would like to confirm again that Aurora with Phil and Dolores Fontaine aboard plan to participate. My understanding of the time is the weekend of July 9 and we are planning to participate on Saturday and Sunday. However we could meet anyone who wishes to arrive a day or two earlier. Our boat lives on a mooring just a few yards off the Point Judith Yacht Club dock at the north end of the pond. We will have a car there and can transport anyone who might want to get to a market, liquor store or West Marine. I can be contacted on my cell phone at 401-440-7044.
I sent The following is a message to he list on March 23 in response to a request from Bob Fine that prospective attendees to reconfirm..
Still sounds good to me.
If everyone is agreeable to going up the pond I would suggest an anchorage
at 41º 24.74 N 71º 30.12 W.I think I can arrange for a cookout at the Point Judith Yacht Club but would
have to check and confirm. The club is located at
41º 25.69N 71º 29.72 W which is just a little over one NM from the
anchorage.From earlier correspondence I have the following skippers with boats:
Phil Fontaine
Rich Carter
Bob Fine
Rod Leeds
Thatcher Stone
Eric LorentzonI have the feeling that I may have missed one or two so I would appreciate
it if everyone would confirm and let me know an approximate head count on
each boat. I would like to have an approximate total before checking on the
club.Phil
From the recent correspondence I have concluded that everyone is agreeable to going into the pond. Navigation is quite straight forward if one follows the buoys. The channel was re-dredged as far as The Narrows about five years ago and should be no problem except at extreme low tides. The bottom is generally sand or mud. I would add one very important caution for anyone who wishes to go all the way to the north end. Be sure to stay on the west side of the channel, close to C 31 when turning north from The Narrows. There are unmarked rocks in the east part of the channel that are too shallow for a 424 at low water and the small boat docks on the eastern side do not provide a very good gauge of the width of the channel. Wait for any outgoing traffic to clear if necessary to attain the west half of the channel and you should see 12-15 feet of water.
I picked the location I recommended in order to get a large enough area of unobstructed deep water for us to raft comfortably. I rechecked my coordinates after Bob Fine commented about a 5′ hump and discovered a small error in the recommended latitude. So, I want to amend the coordinates to 41º 24.77 N , 71º 30.12 W which shows seven feet a bit north of the five foot spot.
Wheatfield Cove, a little bit south, is full of boats on moorings. There would be room at the outer part of the cove but I was concerned that someone might tangle with the shoal area northeast of Beach Island in trying to get there. Thatcher mentioned another anchorage just east of Plato Island and south of Gardner and Beach Islands which is also one of my favorites. Unfortunately, it is also a favorite hanging out spot for both transient and local boats and it is unlikely that we would have room to raft in that area.I received only one reply (Jubilee with Sean and Margaret Marston) concerning interest in a cook-out at Point Judith Yacht Club so I haven’t pursued it. But, I still can if most of the group is interested and I get an approximate head count (boat name and people’s names would be nice). That would have to be on Saturday night as Dolores and I must return home Sunday evening. Let me know soon. The club is small and we would be sharing it with members but in my opinion it would be ideal for a cook-out if they will have us. There is a covered raised deck with gas grills on the front of the club, overlooking the water and immediate access to kitchen facilities and bath rooms inside the club. The club holds regular Wednesday night cook-outs for members there. We would have to bring our food, set up and later put away tables and chairs and otherwise clean up as necessary when we are done.
Restaurant access by water around the pond is not easy. The shores of the pond are mostly private. The only restaurants I know of are located in Galilee and at the north end of the pond. While there are several reasonably priced seafood restaurants in Galilee (as well as one or two fish markets) I do not know if it is possible to get to them by dinghy. The docks are large ferry and commercial fishing docks. There may be a possibility of landing near a small boat launching ramp in the northeast corner of the harbor but I don’t know anything about dinghy tie up or security. The restaurant at the north end of the pond is next door to PJYC. It is rather small and I am not sure whether they could accommodate us comfortably. I would be happy to check if there is interest and I get an approximate head count. Let me know. Another possibility would be to dinghy to the north end of the pond and then shuttle people to a restaurant with my car, but, that isn’t too appealing. Dolores’ and my preference would be (1)cook-out at PJYC if they will have us, (2) Pot luck on the rafted boats, (3) Small restaurant on the water if they can accommodate us (4) Shuttle by dinghy and car to some other restaurant.
I had offered earlier to pick up anyone who might want to arrive by air at Providence Airport but didn’t get any replies. I can still make that offer but any takers would have to find their own return transportation as I will be returning home on Sunday evening. I can check on cab rates if anyone wishes. It is about a half hour by car to the airport.
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A friend with a P422 used the Petit product with good results and suggested
it to me. It didn’t work at all for me. Perhaps the difference is the
primary location but I don’t know. His boat spends a fair amount of time in
Block Island Great Salt Pond and in Stonington Harbor. both of which are
relatively deep and well flushed. My boat spends its time in a shallow pond
about three miles from the ocean inlet that gets quite warm.
Phil
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I will be out of the country for three weeks beginning July 11 so will not
be able to participate during that time.
Phil
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While not as environmentally friendly, a 9.9 hp two stroke can save about 15
pounds compared to a 90 lb four stroke. It is also worth noting that 9.9 hp
engines are a creature of legal restrictions, mostly for use on inland
lakes. Two stroke manufacturers typically serve this market by detuning
engines capable of greater power. Most of the manufacturers offer the same
basic engine at about 8 hp, 9.9 hp and 15 hp all weighing in at about 75
lbs. The only differences being restrictions in the fuel system for the
reduced hp versions and, of course, some difference in price. When
considering those engines it is fairly easy to decide to take the 15
providing one also selects a dinghy rated for that hp. As others have
pointed out, one might not need a planing dinghy often but it sure is nice
to have in certain cruising situations. A 10′ RIB with 15 hp will plain
fairly easily with three adults and the difference in purchase price between
8 and 15 hp sort of washes out over the years.My 10′ RIB weighs about 100 lbs and I carry it in davits with the 75 lb
engine on and perhaps another 50-60 lbs of fuel, oars and anchor for typical
coastal cruising.. I have Kato Marine davits rated at 300 lbs per arm. I did
find that it was necessary to reinforce Aurora’s transom at the davit
mounting points and also to add bracing to reduce the load on the stern
rail. See Aurora’s davit bracing photo on the P-424 Gallery.
Phil
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Aurora has 7.3 oz genoa, 9.3 oz main and 8.3 oz mizzen, all of High Modulus
Dacron.They are now 12 years old and still doing quite well with trips back
to the sailmaker for cleaning and minor repairs at about three year
intervals for the genoa and main. The mizzen doesn’t get nearly as much use
and still looks quite new.
When purchasing I had specified sails primarily for coastal cruising but
also suitable for occasional offshore passages. The numbers above reflect
Neil Pryde Sails recommendations. The main and mizzen were built to their
Trade Winds specifications which reflect extra reinforcing at the corners
and triple stitched seams. The main has two reefs and the mizzen has one.
Good luck,
Phil
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One of my favorites is from a friend who is an undertaqker. The big boat is
named Wake, the dink Little Stiff.
Phil
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Hi Bill.
I would suggest you contact Sen-Dur, the original manufacturer for advice.
800 394-5112.
When I replaced my hx in the Spring of 1999 they gave me the following
information:Westerbeke P/N 21903 = Sen-Dure P/N 2729-3-5 (material is copper)
They would need my old hx so that they could reuse the bronze castings that
connect the hx to the manifold. They also offered a copper-nickel unit under
P/N 2729-3-7. They suggested that I deal with them through one of the marine
equipmant suppliers in order to save about 20% off the Sen-Dure list prices
and provided the following estimated prices:
2729-3-5 estimated price $309.60 (list $383)
2729-3-7 estimated price $387.00 (list $484)
I elected to order through Defencder in Connecticut and got the -7 for
$377.52 plus $5.65 for shipping of the old unit to Sen-Dure. Total time from
delivery of old unit to Defender to pick-up of new was one month.I noticed that Quent found a -5 unit on the web for $425, with no mention of
having to return an old one. So that might be more attractive given that my
price info is 12 years old. But, it wouldn’t hurt to check both, especially
if you are interested in going with copper-nickel.
Good luck.
Phil Fontaine
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Thanks Thatcher.
How many people?
Phil
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I have used a similar and quite inexpensive scheme that I read about years
ago.
I purchased a few lengths of 1/4 inch, three strand polypropylene line of
different colors, unlaid the strands and cut them into about one foot
lengths. I marked the chain at 25 foot intervals by weaving the strands
through several links. One length at 25 feet, two lengths (in tandem) at 50
feet, three at 75 feet, four at 100 feet then repeated with a different
color for the next 100 feet etc. White and yellow line seem to be the most
visible. Surprisingly durable. I replaced them last year for the first time
in eight or nine years when I reversed the chain.
Phil
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Still sounds good to me.
If everyone is agreeable to going up the pond I would suggest an anchorage
at 41º 24.74 N 71º 30.12 W.I think I can arrange for a cookout at the Point Judith Yacht Club but would
have to check and confirm. The club is located at
41º 25.69N 71º 29.72 W which is just a little over one NM from the
anchorage.From earlier correspondence I have the following skippers with boats:
Phil Fontaine
Rich Carter
Bob Fine
Rod Leeds
Thatcher Stone
Eric LorentzonI have the feeling that I may have missed one or two so I would appreciate
it if everyone would confirm and let me know an approximate head count on
each boat. I would like to have an approximate total before checking on the
club.Phil
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The inside harbor at Cuttyhunk would not be suitable for us in high season
unless we wanted to go dockside or on individual moorings and perhaps a boat
or two anchored alone.The remaining anchorage there is quite small,
especially for boats our size. There are moorings and anchorage in the outer
harbor which would be ok in settled weather but it would not be a great
place to be in a north to northeast wind.I agree with your assessment of Hadley’s. It is probably my all time
favorite place but now filled with moorings to keep the fairway open for the
private ferry. There isn’t room to anchor more than about two boats and then
only if one arrives early in the day to catch an anchoring spot or open
mooriong.. I think even the outer harbor is a bit too small for us, given
the number of other boats that can be expected there.Onset is certainly a good spot in the upper reaches of Buzzards Bay. Another
that we like in that area is the east side of Pine Island, opposite Red
Brook Harbor. The path in is a bit tortuous but not really difficult and
once in it is quite picturesque and not usually very crowded. There are no
facilities but one can find a full service marina and fancy restaurant about
a mile away in Reed Brook.I have commented on Block Island and Point Judith in a separate message.
Phil
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A rendezvous sounds like a great idea..
Harbors in the RI area other than those already mentioned that would be
suitable for anchoring and rafting as we did at Three Mile Harbor, without
getting too far off the beaten path, would include:
Little Narragansett Bay at Watch Hill
Third Beach on the west side of the Sakonnett River
Dutch Island Harbor on the east shore of the west passage of Narragansett
Bay.I would not recommend Block Island because of the severe crowding and deep
water anchorage. Certainly the Island has some attractive features and might
be a good destination for individual boats before or after the rendezvous
but not for our gathering.Third Beach can get uncomfortable at times and has no facilities so would be
low on my list of places to raft.Dutch Island Harbor is attractive and there is a marina and I believe a
small store not too far away. It’s main drawback is current running through
the anchorage. While not especially strong, boats tend to lie to the current
when the wind goes down and it swirls a lot. Not too much of a problem for
single boats anchored with plenty of distance from others but might not be
so great for a five to seven boat raft.Watch Hill is one of our favorite places in ordinary weather. It is
attractive, has plenty of anchoring room, a nice beach and access to the
village of Watch Hill (restaurants, shops, ice cream store) via a public
dinghy dock in town. Disadvantages are reversing current through the
anchorage, traffic through part of the anchorage from a shallow draft boat
channel and it can get uncomfortable in a blow from any part of the north.Point Judith is fairly central for boats coming from east and west and has
the attributes that Bob Fine mentioned. My recommendation, however, would be
to go about a mile and a half north in Point Judith Pond rather than staying
in the Harbor of Refuge. It is quite attractive and well protected. There is
an area with enough swing room for a raft and the shores are soft. It would
be about a mile and a half dinghy ride either north or south for restaurants
if anyone wants to do that. I’m not sure what the dinghy landing situation
is in Galilee or Snug Harbor at the south end but I could investigate
beforehand. I’m sure I can arrange for dinghy tie up at the north end,
either at Point Judith Yacht Club or at the restaurant nest door.An additional benefit of Point Judith is the fact that I will have a car
nearby and can assist with transportation to a local West Marine or Stop &
Shop or propane supplier etc. I could also pick up attendees at Providence
airport is anyone wants to come without a boat.Phil Fontaine
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Hi Pete.
I had sent you scans of those two pages to the following address
on Dec. 17. I have just resent that message. Let me
know if it works.
Phil Fontaine
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Pete,
I can provide scans of the first two pages of #28 if you haven’t already
received them. Just let me know where to send them.
Phil
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Hi Dawn,
A couple of years ago I applied some white plastic weather strips to the
sides of the sliding hatch to close the space between the bottom enge of the
hatch and the cabin top. This seems to have worked for me in keeping water
from sloshing up under the hatch and getting in. The strips I bought (at a
hardware store) are about an inch or inch and a quarter wide by about an
eighth of an inch thick with an adhesive strip on one side. Very easy to
apply and they look fine.
Good luck.
Phil Fontaine – Aurora.
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