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If we know by this weekend – shipping from minneapolis. looks to be ~28 via UPS or $30-35 by USPS (including insurance)..If we ship from Bayfield UPS goes up to $31.
– pat
Steve
Because Lady 2 was in Europe we had limited information on her many years ago. Can you share her full hull number? It might help to find if she was previously documented.
In 2005, I wanted to change the hull number listed in USCG database for our 424 as it was recorded incorrectly. They (USCG) said I had to find a corrected builders cert as they version listed the incorrect hull number. This wasn’t going to happen as Pearson Grumman Inc (or whatever it was called) went out of business years ago and the current Pearson Inc has no relationship to the original company and does not have any of it’s records.
BUT … I could submit a letter to that effect (along with $84) and they would consider the change. I was too cheap to pay the $84 at the time but I know it would have gone through.
As I know that hull numbers 24 (595297) & 26 (600542) were both documented, I would think that you could reference the builders certificates on file for those boats along with a letter outlining the demise of Pearson as a company to certify your boat.
Below is the text of the letter, I sent to USCG documentation center. They are very helpful so give them a call. I would be surprised if they didn’t walk you through the process.
– pat
Letter text:
National Vessel Documentation Center
792 T J Jackson Drive
Falling Waters, WV 25419Re: SV Doris E, USCG # 647042
Dear Sir or Madam:
We have owned Doris E, a Pearson 424, since 1997. At that time we carried forth the documentation already established by the previous owners. It has come to our attention that the registered hull number is incorrect. I spoke with Pam, from your office, this morning who confirmed that the original builder’s certificate shows the hull identification number as: PEA58178M82C. This number is not the number on our hull. PEA58* models were a Pearson 323, 32.2 ft in length, built from 1976 to sometime in 1981. Pearson 424 HINs nominally all begin with PEA59.
Pam suggested that I obtain a corrected builder’s certificate, if possible, and, if not possible, a hull rubbing. My research on Pearson Yachts indicates that this company is no longer in existence and therefore a corrected copy of the builder’s certificate is not available. Grumman Allied Industries owned Pearson Yachts from 1961 – March, 1986 at which time Pearson was sold to a private investor group headed by Gordon Clayton. Pearson went into bankruptcy in 1991. The trademarks and molds were sold to a Aqua Buoy Corp who went bankrupt before taking possession. Grumman re-acquired the molds in this bankruptcy sale. In 1996, the Pearson molds and trademarks were sold to Cal-Pearson Corporation which dissolved in 1999. Tillotson Pearson, Inc (TPI) had purchased the trademarked name of Pearson Yachts 1999. In 2004, Tillotson Pearson took the name Pearson Yachts. At this point there is a Pearson Yachts but its only connection is in the name Pearson. When I spoke with someone at Pearson Yachts, they wished me luck in finding anything.
I am enclosing a hull rubbing from our Pearson 424, Doris E USCG # 647042, made on 10/1/05. It shows the correct hull number is: PEA59178M82C . I hope this is enough to correct the records.
Steve
Because Lady 2 was in Europe we had limited information on her many years ago. Can you share her full hull number? It might help to find if she was previously documented.
In 2005, I wanted to change the hull number listed in USCG database for our 424 as it was recorded incorrectly. They (USCG) said I had to find a corrected builders cert as they version listed the incorrect hull number. This wasn’t going to happen as Pearson Grumman Inc (or whatever it was called) went out of business years ago and the current Pearson Inc has no relationship to the original company and does not have any of it’s records.
BUT … I could submit a letter to that effect (along with $84) and they would consider the change. I was too cheap to pay the $84 at the time but I know it would have gone through.
As I know that hull numbers 24 (595297) & 26 (600542) were both documented, I would think that you could reference the builders certificates on file for those boats along with a letter outlining the demise of Pearson as a company to certify your boat.
Below is the text of the letter, I sent to USCG documentation center. They are very helpful so give them a call. I would be surprised if they didn’t walk you through the process.
– pat
Letter text:
National Vessel Documentation Center
792 T J Jackson Drive
Falling Waters, WV 25419Re: SV Doris E, USCG # 647042
Dear Sir or Madam:
We have owned Doris E, a Pearson 424, since 1997. At that time we carried forth the documentation already established by the previous owners. It has come to our attention that the registered hull number is incorrect. I spoke with Pam, from your office, this morning who confirmed that the original builder’s certificate shows the hull identification number as: PEA58178M82C. This number is not the number on our hull. PEA58* models were a Pearson 323, 32.2 ft in length, built from 1976 to sometime in 1981. Pearson 424 HINs nominally all begin with PEA59.
Pam suggested that I obtain a corrected builder’s certificate, if possible, and, if not possible, a hull rubbing. My research on Pearson Yachts indicates that this company is no longer in existence and therefore a corrected copy of the builder’s certificate is not available. Grumman Allied Industries owned Pearson Yachts from 1961 – March, 1986 at which time Pearson was sold to a private investor group headed by Gordon Clayton. Pearson went into bankruptcy in 1991. The trademarks and molds were sold to a Aqua Buoy Corp who went bankrupt before taking possession. Grumman re-acquired the molds in this bankruptcy sale. In 1996, the Pearson molds and trademarks were sold to Cal-Pearson Corporation which dissolved in 1999. Tillotson Pearson, Inc (TPI) had purchased the trademarked name of Pearson Yachts 1999. In 2004, Tillotson Pearson took the name Pearson Yachts. At this point there is a Pearson Yachts but its only connection is in the name Pearson. When I spoke with someone at Pearson Yachts, they wished me luck in finding anything.
I am enclosing a hull rubbing from our Pearson 424, Doris E USCG # 647042, made on 10/1/05. It shows the correct hull number is: PEA59178M82C . I hope this is enough to correct the records.
Evan
do you differentiate between receiving email from announcements@…
or from generaldiscussion@…?– pat
Revery wrote on 3/22/16 2:14 PM:For what it’s worth, today was the first time since
the 10th that I received anything via maillist.
Something seems amiss…Thanks,
Evan
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ProfileThe sloops and cutters were listed as PEA 59 as well. I think Dan
just didn’t know there were 424 sloops when he first made that page.For some reason hull nbrs 214-217 were listed as PEA 72 but I don’t
know why because hull nbrs 219, 220 and 226 were all cutters listed
as PEA 59I’ve always wondered if they were just sloppier back then. Our
documentation has been wrong since the beginning of time (we’re
listed by the CG as PEA 58) because the builder’s papers were
incorrect. [Our hull says PEA 59 on the back] I’m too cheap to pay
the $86+ to fix it.– pat
Idyll Ours wrote on 3/21/16 11:02 PM:Yes that’s where I saw it, and it says 72 is for cutter rig
but nothing for sloops.Sent from my iPad
It looks like you were looking at dan pfeiffer’s old page. 59 is
for pearson 424 .. did not designate sloop or ketch although the
majority of p 424’s were ketches
(http://dan.pfeiffer.net/p26/sn.htm)– pat
Idyll Ours wrote on 3/21/16 8:54 PM:Is anyone familiar with the serial number codes
PEA59125M80I and would this “59” indicate our sloop was originally
built as a ketch rig and hull number 125 ?I have seen a lot of questions regarding the meaning of the coding
in the Pearson serial numbers. I have made this page to try and
answer some of them. I don’t know if this applies to all Pearsons
but I think it is correct for the P26.Manufacturer
This is the name of the manufacturer of the boat. PEA is for
Pearson.Model Number
This is the manufacturer’s model number designation. 46 is the
number for the P26.
39 35 1968-82
46 26 1970-82
48 30 1970-80
52 10M 1973-80
54 28 1976?
55 26 Weekender 1975-76
56 365 1976-82
57 28 1977-82?
58 323 1976-81
———————————- 59 424 Ketch
60 26OD 1977-83?
61 31 1978-81
68 Flyer 1981-??
72 424 Cutter
75 422 1984-87
78 36-2 1985-90
80 28 1986-89
91 27 1988-91
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ProfileTorDo you do any kind of spam firing on the server side like “spam assassin”?– patSent from my phone with automatic correct for your amusement
I’ve gone so far as to start researching this myself – admittedly I
find the non-threading nature annoying ..– p
admin424 wrote on 3/10/16 11:49 AM:I wouldnât know where to start threading the
conversations systemically. I will check with the developer.EwanFor comparisons sake
in Thunderbird, nothing threads.
iphone mail nothing threadsIn gmail, I see only sporadic threading – my experience mirrors
Evan, in that replies to secondary posts thread in gmail.– pat
Revery wrote on 3/10/16 10:25 AM:Well, it’s a gmail address (obvious), but I either
use gmailâs web interface or Outlook for W10 (on my phone). In
neither client do the emails consistently thread.As someone who started and moderated this website for a long time,
there are lots of reasons people might not donate. We want the
proliferation of experience and ideas. Public shaming never really
works as it only reduces the number the participants and breadth of
requests.People should realize that $25 from 55 people would cover Ewan’s
cost for this year ( as long as he contributes as well). After the
first year, I assume that cost would decrease as the maintenance
cost should be less than development. Maybe what should happen is
everyone gives $15/yr for 5 years. Would that make it more
affordable?– pat
Tor wrote on 3/10/16 7:05 AM:I’d also like to express my appreciation to the
other 22 Pearson 424 owners who have chipped in so that we
can have this excellent forum. Obviously you all value
your boats and this exchange as much as I do.�
As for you 42 freeloaders who seem to think
it’s OK to benefit from the labor and largesse of others
while contributing nothing yourselves, I’d say you have
missed the proverbial boat here. You know who you are.
(Come to think of it, Ewan knows who you are, too! Would a
published “Donor and Idler” list be too politically
incorrect? Seems like perfectly commendable ‘full
disclosure’ to me, and it might ferret a few lurkers out
of the dark shadows. It certainly would help me and others
here know when we want to spend our time helping an
individual and when we’re just too busy to bother. What do
you think? Can I get an Amen?)�
Ewan, as always, thank you.
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Tor, Resident Troublemaker
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You’re doing fine.. you sent the pictures in email. I’ve now added
them to the photo gallery
https://www.pearson424.org/gallery/index.php/Windlass-Installations/Silverheels-17-Installationare there more? could the writeup be better?
– p
Silverheels wrote, On 6/9/14, 7:25 AM:
Quote:Hi Pat,I’m sure I’m doing it wrong, but I don’t see
Silverheels’ chain locker / foredeck rebuild photos
there.Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
http://www.silverheels.us
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I’ve resurrected the photo gallery link on the pearson website. All the
pictures should be there.
https://www.pearson424.org/gallerySilverheels wrote, On 6/9/14, 7:11 AM:
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do consider the refurbish costs… there is also a p 424 on the west
coast listed at a *very* good price.– pat
Dave Rhodes wrote, On 5/29/14, 7:53 PM:I’m considering purchase of #19 (Bead Game) from a salvage yard post hurricane sandy. Any idea which size boat stands I’m going to have to assemble while in the yard?
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Rich…
These numbers come from the mauri pro site? or some place else?
– pat
wrote, On 5/27/14, 2:20 PM:
Quote:Bob
Sloops prior to hull 205 were tall ketches (TM) without the mizzen. After 205, they were cutters without a same as a cuter without the inner forestay.Model I J P E
Pearson 422 SLP 18+ 47.25 15.75 40.00 14.50
Pearson 422 Cutter 18+ 47.25 18.17 40.00 14.50
Pearson 422 Ketch 47.25 15.75 40.00 14.50
Pearson 422 SLP 1-17 47.25 18.17 40.00 14.50Pearson 424 Cutter 47.25 18.16 41.00 14.50
Pearson 424 Ketch 44.08 15.75 38.00 14.50
Pearson 424 Ketch TM 47.25 15.75 41.00 14.50
Pearson 424 SLP 1-204 47.25 15.75 41.00 14.50
Pearson 424 SLP 205+ 47.25 18.16 41.00 14.50Rich
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I have numbers from the internet. What i found is that these numbers differ
from what one sees in the drawings that came with the boats. All the
internet sites say the sloop changed after #205.I’m curious about the differences
On May 27, 2014 10:18 AM, “quent” wrote:Hi Pat
Stuff you want is on the internet and probably known to sailmakers. As I
recall, sloops and cutters all used taller rig, including the ones with
Hood in mast furling. The later sloops and all the cutters stepped the
mast further aft, ingeniously by reversing the salon table made it fit. It
appears that all the booms were the same length regardless of mast position.
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