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Paul Lefebvre
ParticipantWalter
Were you planning on adding a larger 3-4″ drain in the cockpit like Richard
and others have done. That should keep water levels down in most situations.I think you would find adding tape a hassle in pretty short order,
especially when you want to access the locker after you have just put it on.
If you are really concerned about getting pooped, you could make up
waterproof covers that velcro to the lip around the opening to the locker.
They would be easy to remove and out of site with the lid closed.Paul
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ParticipantHere is the picture from Pete Dubler’s boat with re-inforcing strips epoxied
to the forward sections. He has since covered them up with ash battens.Paul
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ParticipantWalter:
Cutting a couple of holes in the forward water tank sounds like a major
step. While I assume with proper flanges you will be able to make it water
tight again, that is just one more thing that can go wrong. However, I have
wondered about the logistics of moving chain to the bilge for offshore
sailing. Some people will drag it on tarps across the deck. However, your
idea of PVC pipe is an interesting one.You could make up a few sections of PVC pipe that you screw together that
runs from the lower chain locker, over the V berth, across the cabin and
down into the mid ship floor hatch. Before going offshore, quickly screw
together the pipe, and run your chain into the lower bilge. Since you would
not need to this for day to day sailing, it may work as a compromise.Paul
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ParticipantAaron / Tor
If you want to minimize the amount of water that can come in the chain
locker drain hole, you could try installing a rubber flapper under the
clam-shell when you attach it to the hull. You may need to experiment with
what works. but be sure to tell all of us once you have it perfected so we
can copy you 🙂Paul
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ParticipantTor
Thanks for the reminder on the hatch boards. All of mine have also been off
for most of the last year. In the back of my mind, I have always known it
was another accident waiting to happen, especially when I leave the boat at
night in the dark, after turning off the AC switches and move forward to the
salon companionway. I have half fallen in twice now, but have managed to
grab something both times before going all the way in. As you said. I would
feel pretty stupid if I did serious injury to myself, knowing the hazard was
there all along. I knew wearing socks on deck was a safety issue, but
didn’t take the time to put on my deck shoes, as I seemed to be up and down
the ladder and companionway 10 – 20 times each day. I slip off my winter
boots or street shoes at the bottom of the ladder and would go up the ladder
in my socks. For a while, I was slipping on my deck shoes as I got on the
boat, but had stopped doing that lately.When looking for a boat to buy, I came across a few where the owner had been
injured while working on it and now had their retirement dream up for sale.
Our Workmen’s Compensation Board has a campaign on now stating that there
are no accidents, just preventable injuries. It is easy to see many examples
of this while working on the boat. I know that I am just one of many of us
that wants to get to the position of Joe, and to be able to sign off my
e-mails saying I am at anchor in some paradise location.As far as Alan goes, being a left handed person, I invite you to come over
to the dark side. Try using your left hand. Sometimes the change feels good
🙂Paul
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beside my house, Ottawa, Canada
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ParticipantJohn and Thor:
Thanks for the info on the lag bolts. I am glad I asked before I started
taking parts off the beam. I will take a pair of vise grips to the remaining
studs and hope they back out.I will try my air hammer on the step tomorrow and hope I can get it to start
to move.Well, after running up and down the companionway steps into the salon over a
few thousand times the past year ( The ones to the aft cabin are out of use
because of engine work), what I was afraid of finally happened this
afternoon. I got used to spinning around pretty quick and dropping down the
stairs. Well this time I slipped ( I was wearing socks, as I had been all
winter) and fell backwards into the hole. Luckily my elbows caught the sides
and my back hit the oppiste side and I didn’t fall all the way down. Back is
pretty banged up but my diet of Advil and Tylenol is helping. I guess no
more running on deck in socks!!!Paul
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ParticipantJohn / Alan:
Thanks for the info. Concerning the stiff ropes, are there any other
alternatives. I assume that any halyards suitable for this application (low
stretch) would have similar properties, but maybe some are better than
others.Paul
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ParticipantAlan:
Thanks. I have the 2 original boxes that you have your Trojans in. Aft of
them, I have shelves (not proper boxes as my surveyor made note of), with
room for 2 more 4D’s, running for/aft. I hadn’t decided where I would put a
separate starting battery, possibly where you have your water heater on the
port side locker just beside the engine.Paul
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Participant“ohhh… you don’t have a propane locker there do you?”
No, mine is in the center of the aft locker, right beside the portable fuel
tank for the genset.Paul
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Participant“ohhh… you don’t have a propane locker there do you?”
No, mine is in the center of the aft locker, right beside the portable fuel
tank for the genset.Paul
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ParticipantAlan:
Where was the stock starting battery box. The only stock boxes I have are
for 2 x 4D’s. Was there a smaller box elsewhere in the starboard locker.Paul
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ParticipantBarb / Alan
Here are the photos of my installation. One advantage of having it in the
port locker is it helps balance the weight of 3 x 4D’s in the starboard
locker.Paul
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ParticipantI have an Apollo 4K installed in the Port side cockpit locker. towards the
aft end, at an angle to match the curve of the hull. This of course makes
working on the raw water pump that is close to the hull of real pleasure.
The PO needed to cut out some of the locker hatch trim to get it down there.
It is installed on a very nice platform. It is fed from a separate portable
plastic fuel tank. The main need for my genset is to run the 110v Seafrost
BF-3 refrigerator system.Paul
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ParticipantJon:
Thanks for the input. I have the bilge vent hose in the way, so I will
remove it and hope my installer faced the hose clamp in the right direction
🙂Paul
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Participant“Is the shower sump box permanently affixed or is it removable?”
That depends how tall you are. I’m 6 ft tall and I can’t get down there.
However, my girlfriend is only 5′ 4″, so she fits well down there. This is
good, because she just spent a bunch of time removing what the PO put down
in my bilge. It had been filled with polyurethane foam. Which proceeded to
soak up every oil, diesel and holding tank spill for the last 12 years. The
boat always stunk, so I started removing the foam. It was black and smelled
like shit. Whatever you do, don’t fill the bilge with foam.Now that I have cleaned it out. I am looking forward to having all that
extra storage space for storm anchors, etc.Back to your question, my old shower sump is attached at the bottom with
fiberglass. However, if you can get down there, it should be easy to grind
out.Paul
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