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Hi Thatcher,
If that’s an original unit it’s given some good service. I doubt it is as
many of these boats came with ice boxes rather than refrigerators. It
depends on what’s wrong. If it’s the compressor probably time to replace.
It could be the thermostat – they fail far more frequently and are pretty
cheap. If it’s more than about 10 years old or shows signs of serious
corrosion on the lines it might be less expensive to replace rather than
repair, especially considering new units are more efficient and use the
newer refrigerants. Also newer units are end user installable with quick
connect fittings.Bob
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Thatcher A. Stone – Confidential Attorney
Communication wrote:Quote:Adler Barbour 100Thanks
Battery, no water cool, under the dining settee seat – compressor.
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That’s true – you do have to flush it, but how many times? What if you
don’t do it enough? Do you do it until the oil doesn’t come out pink?
Those are the questions that make me hesitate…On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Pete Dubler wrote:
I understand you have to flush it and wish I had switched when I rebuilt
my tranny and had the clear opportunity. Thing is I lubricated the parts
with ATF as I assembled the unit and THEN read in the manual that you could
just use motor oil instead.Pete
On 7/2/2013 6:24 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
True. I’m too chicken to change my trans oil, though, or I’d do it.
Bob
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Pete Dubler
wrote:In fact, some run that in their engine, tranny, and v-drive and then you
only need to keep one oil on board.
Pete
On 7/2/2013 3:37 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
30 wt non detergent is what the specs say but i’ve seen gear oil in
there.
Bob
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Jul 2, 2013 5:35 PM, “Lee Yonkers” wrote:What weight oil should I put in my V-Drive??
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True. I’m too chicken to change my trans oil, though, or I’d do it.
Bob
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Pete Dubler wrote:
In fact, some run that in their engine, tranny, and v-drive and then you
only need to keep one oil on board.Pete
On 7/2/2013 3:37 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
30 wt non detergent is what the specs say but i’ve seen gear oil in there.
Bob
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Here’s a question, Thatcher: is your refrigeration water or air cooled?
And another: Do you have to run the engine to cool things down (not just
charge the batteries)? Do you remember how much current it pulls when
running? Is there a plate in the refrigerator or do you have what looks
like the tiniest freezer, about the size of one good law book? These
questions may help us figure out what you have.Bob
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alan wrote:
My first phone call would be to Cleve from Sea frost and explain what you
have and what you would like to do and see if he has any replacements for
you. if not, he can probably suggest what you would need to do to upgrade
to a newer unit. I would trust him explicitly. I’m sure there are other 424
owners who have used SeaFrost and would collaborate my opinion of that
company.
AlanSent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:34 PM, “Thatcher A. Stone – Confidential Attorney
Communication” wrote:To friends and the readership:-
Who was the mfr. Of orig equip for the fridge. Adler Barbour? I am 500
miles
from the boat presently.
Has anyone repaired or replaced the units (compressor, lines,
evaporator)?
If so, did you replace the whole system or just the compressor?
In either case, with what?
Many thanks.
T, wishing he was on the Wavemaker
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30 wt non detergent is what the specs say but i’ve seen gear oil in there.
Bob
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
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You have gone all Island, mon.
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Yeah, it’s called earning a living. Been there, done that. A necessary
evil,
I suppose, but hopefully with residual benefits, including this: Having
(and
leaving) a job or career makes returning to the Real World that much more
fun. Without contrast there is no OUTSTANDING.(Philosophy in the morning? What have I come to?)
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Hi Ken,
Madsailor and Bob are the same person. Anyway, I have 5/16″ chain. I’ve
never felt insecure. Well, not about the anchor anyway.That said, you clearly are experienced and know how to set ground tackle.
Stay with what you know and a 60 or 70 lb anchor should be fine as a
primary, 45 for secondary. I never had a Bruce before this boat sticking
with Danforths as the bottoms here around Long Island Sound are mud or sand
which they hold quite well in, The Bruce does better in gravel, or so I’ve
experienced, and a lot of chain seems to help. I suspect any anchor would
work with 50′ of chain on the bottom with it.As Tor said, welcome to the zoo!
Bob
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Hey Madsailor, thanks for the reply, That’s a big Bruce you got there. Is
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From my humble perspective, SOG beats speed through the water. Who cares
how fast you’re going through the water when its distance over ground
you’re trying to cover… 🙂On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Geez, I don’t remember the last time I saw 49 knots at sea. Never again
would be too soon. (I’ve become a trade winds wimp in my dotage.) I gather
the catamaran didn’t mind, though. Great experience!Tor
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The most common anchor I’ve seen on the 424s are the 45# CQR. I have one
of those I never use and a 35Kg Bruce which has been splendid. I carry 250
ft. of chain fore and aft and the spare anchor is a 25 lb. Fortress. I’ve
held 6 424s in a 15kt breeze with the fortress and the 40′ chain/250 nylon
rode.There are as many opinions about anchors as there are boats to be
anchored. My advice to you is to pick an anchor that works well for you
and you’ve grown accustomed to in former boats and use one of those sized
appropriately. There should be at least one boat length worth of chain if
you’re using a mixed rode and two is not a bad idea. If you really like
being sure, use mostly chain. Make sure you’ve made provisions for
snubbing lines if you do use all chain.The key to anchoring is to learn how to anchor. How to know when it’s set
(and not merely hooked on vegetation), and how to raise it without breaking
your back (if you don’t have a windlass).5/16ths chain is perfectly fine. Two types of anchors at least that cover
all the anchoring grounds you’re likely to encounter. There is an anchor
like a Delta with a roll bar on top which are favored because they roll to
a plow down position, but with my Bruce the only difficulty I’ve ever had
was anchoring in a swift creek – I couldn’t get it down fast enough and had
to keep raising it to try to move it farther from the bank. But realize
it’s 75lbs, and there’s nothing but chain.So, key points: Use what you know. Get one size bigger than recommended.
5/16″ chain is good enough but if your gypsy takes 3/8, use that. Learn
how to anchor your boat and your anchor. Wait a few minutes before
starting cocktail hour to make sure you’re not dragging.You should be good to go, and if not, you’ll have a great story as well as
providing amusement for the others at the anchorage..Bob
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Hi Ken,Welcome to the zoo. Opinions about ground tackle are legion. Luckily for
you, mine is the correct one so I will share it. (:))I may own the only P424 with a proper chain locker, and that’s because I
built it. Big job, well worth it, at least to me. Even so, even though I
have the largest, deepest possible divided chain locker for a 424, I have a
problem with my primary chain pyramiding in the locker to the point that it
will clog the windlass gypsy if I don’t tend to it. (How I do that is
another story, but it works.) 150′ of 3/8″ chain on top of 100′ of 5/8″
line pile up in there. Also, my boat’s a bit bow-heavy. All this is to say
that if I were doing it again, I’d use 5/16″ HT chain.As for anchors (oh, boy, here we go), I’m using a 45-lb CQR and a 66-lb
Manta (on 50′ 3/8″ chain and, I think, 200′ of 5/8″ line). The Manta is or
was West Marine’s “Bruce” knockoff. I live at anchor all the time and sleep
well most nights.Bottom line? No way is a 424 going to break 5/16″ HT chain – unless you
lift
her out of the water by the rode.Have fun,
Tor
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And, sadly, boaters…
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Jun 27, 2013 10:35 PM, “Pete Dubler” wrote:Quote:Thank you Archimedes. This is why water lines and boot strips tend to
move up over time on cruising boats.Pete
On 6/25/2013 2:17 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Quote:Ok, here’s the scoop: the weight and the actual displacement are exactly
the same or the boat would sink. But the tonnage on the documentation
isn’t calculated that way. It is the number of 100cu.ft. volumes that can
carry cargo.That said, if the boat dry weighs 23,000lbs, it necessarily displaces
23,000lbs of water. It turns out that doing so leaves 3′ of freeboard,
but
that’s a design choice.I assume each one of our boats weighs a little differently depending on
the
interior and rig. Mine’s the L-shaped ketch.Bob
On Jun 25, 2013 3:58 PM, wrote:When I haul with full fuel tank and empty water tanks, the scales say
Quote:about 24000. I don’t really empty the boat when I haul. I might have
about 1500 lbs of stuff in there including anchor gear.Rich
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Hi Tor,
I’ve measured 8 kts by knot meter on a close reach, 120% jib, staysail,
main and mizzen in 18-20kts breeze. Also, 8 kts on a beam reach with same
jib, staysail and mizzen. I’ve actually tried to put the rail down into
the water and the closest I’ve gotten is about 18″ from the cap rail.
Driving these boats is just like driving a 63 Lincoln Continental.
Smmmoooth.Bob
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Good points, Roger. I should have said it was a beam reach and, since I
don’t have a knotmeter, I have no way of knowing if a stray current was
giving us a boost. The GPS only calculates SOG.What impressed me (beyond the sheer elation of it) was the stability of the
boat. She squatted, but didn’t heel much. And she tracked well; no
skittishness at all. Impressive.Has anyone else clocked those kinds of speeds in a 424 measured by a
knotmeter?Tor
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That, my friend, is totally awesome!
Bob
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Today the good ketch Silverheels kissed 9.7 knots SOG for the first time
since I’ve owned her. It happened as we came under the lee of St. Vincent,
southbound, flying her new (this year) 135% genoa, main & mizzen.It’s common for the trade winds to bend and kick up a notch as you (and
they) arrive at mountainous islands, sometimes several notches. So I wasn’t
surprised when it jumped from 15 knots to 20 gusting 25+ and backed a
point.
What did surprise me was how my boat responded. I’m still getting used to
the new sails I bought her, which include fully-battened main & mizzen
sails. She started hitting 9+ knots for multi-second intervals. That’s
faster than her previous top speed of 8-point-something under her old
sails.
Then the GPS declared 9.7 knots. WOW! And she never even came close to
dipping her rail. She just hunkered down and SMOKED, sustaining 9 knots for
even longer stretches, then slowing down to 8.7, 8.5, then blasting off
again. She hit 9.5 several times, 9.7 twice that I saw, and I thought I
glimpsed 9.8 one time but can’t swear to it. Awesome! Oh, if only I’d had
the staysail flying, too. Who knows what miracles I might have witnessed?
Dare I even think the theoretically impossible 10? And this with a boat
toting a full year’s-worth of provisions – we’re talking packed to the
proverbial gills, here – plus a dinghy in davits and fuel & water tanks
topped off just a day ago in Martinique, plus half a dozen jerry jugs more,
all the while dragging her vintage, fixed 3-blade prop (locked). OMG, can I
get an AMEN?And then, abruptly, the wind stopped – dead calm, sails limp, Silverheels
as
stunned as I – and the sun came out for the first time all day. (Fade in
symphonic crescendo with angelic choir.) Hello, Universe.Yep, I’d say it was a good day at the office.
Tor
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Ok, here’s the scoop: the weight and the actual displacement are exactly
the same or the boat would sink. But the tonnage on the documentation
isn’t calculated that way. It is the number of 100cu.ft. volumes that can
carry cargo.That said, if the boat dry weighs 23,000lbs, it necessarily displaces
23,000lbs of water. It turns out that doing so leaves 3′ of freeboard, but
that’s a design choice.I assume each one of our boats weighs a little differently depending on the
interior and rig. Mine’s the L-shaped ketch.Bob
On Jun 25, 2013 3:58 PM, wrote:Quote:When I haul with full fuel tank and empty water tanks, the scales say
about 24000. I don’t really empty the boat when I haul. I might have
about 1500 lbs of stuff in there including anchor gear.Rich
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Stated dry weight in catalog is 23,000 lbs.
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Jun 25, 2013 1:41 PM, “John Stevenson” wrote:Steve,
Any reason the displacement won’t provide the necessary info for the
shipper? I assume the published displacement for the 424 includes full
fuel and water tanks, normal stores, sails and people and it should be more
than dry weight for shipment. You will likely have empty water tanks, a
nearly empty fuel tank and no people on board.
If you need an accurate dry weight, some travel lifts have a weight gauge,
which you can provide the shipper upon haul out.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Steven Weinberg, Ph.D.
wrote:I am trucking my 424 moved from TX to San Diego and the trucker needs to
know the weight. Does anyone know the out of water weight of a 424. I
know the displacement, but I cannot find the dry weight info.Steve
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I tried just going there and all I got was a blank page. Apparently they
have some technical problems.Bob
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Pete Dubler wrote:
Quote:Tor,Did you register at the site for a login and then get a confirming email
with a link in it?I just did all that and am having fun checking out the software. The
tradewinds are real.Pete
On 6/20/2013 4:27 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Hey Pete,Been there done that. Grib.us promises all of it, but I can’t get the site
to work. The links don’t link to anything. When it says “Next” and I click
on that text link, nothing happens. Maybe it’s my computer (although it’s
pretty new, w/Windows 7, and it works everywhere else). Maybe it’s the
good
Barbados rum I stocked up on duty-free in Sint Maarten. Whatever, I can’t
get grib.us to give me the program.If anyone has this program and can email the .exe file to me, or else can
tell me where I can download it from a functioning website, I’d be
grateful.Tor
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