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Hi Tor,
The sheet originally ran along the boom to a block and down to the other cleat and winch. It was an effort to make the 424 even more difficult to manage singlehandedly. Anyone who sailed the 424 for more than 20 minutes or so was left scratching their head.
Oh- the two red Ferraris was so I don't have to make a decision every morning…
Bob
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Pat,That's where my mizzen sheet block is attached, too, as it was when I bought the boat. You wrote, “Some… owner's have… moved the sheet out there.” Where else would that sheet block attach on a 424?
Tor
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Thanks, Pat! A lot to chew on. Feel free to add any other projects from Pelican. The more, the merrier. Expect new floorboard openings, finally finishing the holding tank plumbing, SCADtech tank monitor installation, water maker install, new overhead and HAM Radio installation for this winter.
Bob
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Hi Rich,
I want to get my General licence – is this a good radio for that? If so, what are you asking for it and is there a tuner or anything else involved?
Thanks,
Bob
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Rich Carter < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I have a spare ICOM 706 HF SSB amateur radio that I'll be listing on ebay.
If anyone is interested in upgrading or adding to their boat radio
equipment, please contact me for more information. I'll wait a few days
before posting it.Rich
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Thanks for that Alan! Lot's of fun!
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Hi Tor,
When I bought Pelican there was no holding tank – just an ElectroSan (which I found out later was hooked up backwards negating it’s usefulness). I measured and ordered a tank to fit behind the mast in that lovely flat, wide area that exists. That would have left the deep bilge for hiding a family of Mexicans, two red Ferraris and a wide screen TV if that’s what I wanted to do.
After climbing down there once to work on the bilge pumps (rewired recently with appropriate switches and breakers – see http://thesailinglife.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-cant-believe-summers-gone-again.html). One thing I realized was that I’m really not likely to use that space effectively – I purchased an old people’s grabby thing just to retrieve pens, screwdrivers, wrenches, cans, and whatever else I drop down there (which grows in number and variablility).
So, putting the original tank in storage (it’s available for anyone who wants it – 12″ x 16″ x 36″ with 1-1/2″ fittings on one end – the 12 x16 side and 1″ vent fittings on a 16″ x 36″ side – $250 new, make an offer) I ordered a tank that would sit in the deep area and on the floor of the bilge. It came out to be about 30 gallons. It’s functional, but there is more plumbing to do for the macerator pump and the manual pump. When I finish it this winter, I’ll write about it. For now, here’s a picture of the top of the tank.
Under the water tanks in the salon is a tremendous volume that’s beautifully dry, including stringers that provide a safe haven for things that are stowed outboard. True, I haven’t filled all my drawers and stuff, but I have a lot of heavy tools that need a home other than under the table. I expect to have a full hydraulic rigging press aboard when I leave.
So there you have it. A plan of sorts.
Bob
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Hi Tor,
I installed my holding tank (there was none when I bought Pelican) in the deepest part of the bilge just aft of the keel.
Behind that are my bilge pumps.
On top of the keel behind the mast are my tool and parts boxes.
To the port and starboard, just inboard of my water tanks is where there is gobs of space. Perfect for watermaker and and spare parts.
Bob
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:If you have “gobs of space” beneath the salon table, where is your holding tank? Or is there a holding tank?Tor
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Hi All,
Well, after studying the space aft of the water tanks I've discovered there is exactly 3/4″ too little space to install the PowerSurvivor 35. I may put a door on the aft side of the space in the bulkhead that forms the aft wall of the settees – but that's for access and stowage of a case of beer or Dinty Moore Beef Stew.
However, alongside and under the salon table is gobs and gobs of space – I will be putting an opening on either side approximately 3″ long and 10″ wide. I'll be describing the project as well as the watermaker installation on http://thesailinglife.blogspot.com in the unlikely event anyone is interested.
Bob
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Hi,
The purple wire changes color very often and energizes the fuel shut-off solenoid on top of the fuel tank. I've removed mine and the wire.
The W58 engine panel should have 2 buttons and a key switch that only energizes the panel and provides field power to the alternators, just like a car. The other two buttons are as you know – glow plug and interlock to starter.
I have a wiring diagram from the manual and will copy it if you need it.
Bob
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:39 PM, < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:My boat came with a W60 which had a pull-cable that was positioned near the right ankle of the helmsman, I assumed that the W58 had a similar arrangement. I'd be surprised to find that Westerbeke changed to a solenoid actuator. A bad ignition switch could cause power to the panel and engine to become intermittent. If this is the case, you could observe the problem by viewing gauges while tapping on the key switch. A squirt of PB-Blaster in the key hole will likely fix the switch.A stock 424 will not turn-over unless the key is turned on. Most key switches are interlocked so that the first position energizes the panel and the second position engages the starter. There is no reason that it must be wired this way but it makes sense.
As I remember, my boat came with a wiring diagram, but the engine harness didn't match the diagram. I wired my own panel when I repowered and found what should be a simple task to be quite complicated. Finding the engine sensors and tracing the wires was time consuming. I didn't use a key switch because they are unreliable if mounted in a wet environment such as an open cockpit. Instead, I used a water resistant pull switch and two water resistant buttons. Pearson mounted the key switch inside the starboard lazarette. Now there's a convenient place to reach in an emergency!
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Hi Aaron,
I plan to put an opening forward of the engine but aft of the current opening for better access to the stuffing box and my new shaft driven alternator.
I also want to put an opening inboard of the refrigerator/stove for storage and access to the reefer compressor unit (and probably the watermaker plumbing).
Finally, somehow, along the table I want an opening that allows access to all that yummy space on top of the keel aft of the mast.
How to do it is more problematical – I'll cut the holes carefully with a circular saw and remove the plank. Then reroute any wires/plumbing in the opening, then frame the opening appropriately (and maybe reinforce with member to hull). The removed piece will get shaved by 1/2″ all around and teak frame attached. Eh Voila! New hatch.
Also, I'll be adding positive catches to all the floorboard openings. (See http://marinepartdepot.com/dring.html )
Bob
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Aaron Lynch < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I’ve been thinking about adding some access as well, where/how do you plan on doing it?
On 11/4/08 2:26 PM, Robert Fine wrote :
Hi Pete,
Under my sole is getting crowded. Also, there's a tremendous amount of space that can be used for storage. Behind the tanks seems to be a great idea. Oh, and I have very poor access below the sole. I plan on remedying this with new openings.
Bob
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Pete Dubler < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Why not mount it under the sole?
Pete
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Hi Rich,
The W58 must have a solenoid shutoff because there's no cable anywhere. The engine panel for it doesn't have a place for it. I've never studied the thing, but when you turn the key off it turns off the solenoid at the top of the tank (which I've removed) and somewhere in the rusty innards of the engine it turns off the fuel.
Bob
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Rich Carter < ([email][/email])> wrote:
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I believe you said that you have a W58. I don't believe that your engine has a fuel shutoff solenoid actuator. I think the stock W58 has a shutoff cable. Someone might have installed a shutoff solenoid actuator and removed the cable. When you turn your key off, what turns the fuel off to the high pressure pump? Try turning the key on and off while looking at the fuel pump on the side of the engine. Something has to move. Send a photo if you can.424's came with an electonic fuel valve at the top of the tank. This is not the same thing as a solenoid actuator. Does your fuel tank have an electric fuel valve on the top of the tank? There would be two wires running to it.
Rich
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Hi Pete,
Under my sole is getting crowded. Also, there's a tremendous amount of space that can be used for storage. Behind the tanks seems to be a great idea. Oh, and I have very poor access below the sole. I plan on remedying this with new openings.
Bob
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Why not mount it under the sole?
Pete
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Hi Chuck,
Behind the shower is an excellent place for spare bedding, clothes, parts, and other soft goods – the problem with the small water makers is that you need to operate things occasionally and that area isn't conducive to it.
Also, the water maker should be as low in the boat as possible (Katadyn recommends 2' below the waterline or just about cabin sole level.
Bob
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Chuck Ruble < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Robert, what about that spot behind the shower? It appeared there's quite a cavity back there.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hi All!
Thanks! I'm going check out the space aft of the water tanks –
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Thanks, Steve – off to WM this afternoon!
Bob
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Steve Sears < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Sure, I just measured the doors, 10-1/2″ square, outer dimensions. I put one on the starboard side, good storage for beverages, etc…Quote:
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Hi All!
Thanks! I'm going check out the space aft of the water tanks – Tor, I'm using that locker under the midships companionway for other stuff – and that hanging locker is already full of plumbing for the macerator pump/manual bilge pump and so forth. I'd like to keep some room to hang something since the locker in the aft cabin is chock full of electrical/electronics gear.
The watermaker may very well fit aft of the tanks and I'm going to give that a shot tonight. It's such a PIA to get to that area.
Steve, can you tell me off hand what size hatches you got? I can travel over to WM and pick them up. They look great!
Bob
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Thatcher Stone < ([email][/email])> wrote:
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Look at them online at WM or Defenders, then choose the one that Port Supply has. There really is no significant difference and you'll be happy with either.
Bob
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:The “local” WM is just far enough away, and I dislike in-town driving enough, that I rarely go there. Port supply delivers to my marina daily and otherwise I shop online. Maybe I'll go for this, though – IF they've got both hatches in stock at the store.Tor
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