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Other… I managed to get everything out. I’ll explain more details later. Have to go pickup Dawn.
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On Dec 23, 2009, at 13:48, Rodd Leeds < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Sorry to hear that! What type of bolt was it–stainless or other? and what size thread was it, 1/4-20?Rodd Leeds
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Well now I have a bolt sheared off in the set screw hole. 🙁
I think I’m going to buy a proper cutless puller and a prop puller seems like I could get lots of free beer loaning them out.
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On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:08, “Patrick Walters” < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Thos are awesome instructions. The homemade press for installing looks super simple. I too have the lip on the foreward end of the strut as mentioned, but I was also not cutting right at the set screws (which I had already pulled), I’ll try that!Thanks,
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Rodd Leeds” < ([email][/email])>
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Subject: Re: Cutlas bearingI have found a site put up by someone who calls himself Maine Sail and his instructions and pics are unbelieveable! His description of how to replace the cutlass bearing is well worth reading! I wish I had seen this before I replaced mine (twice in 14 years!).
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Thos are awesome instructions. The homemade press for installing looks super simple. I too have the lip on the foreward end of the strut as mentioned, but I was also not cutting right at the set screws (which I had already pulled), I’ll try that!
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Rodd Leeds” <>
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Subject: Re: Cutlas bearingI have found a site put up by someone who calls himself Maine Sail and his instructions and pics are unbelieveable! His description of how to replace the cutlass bearing is well worth reading! I wish I had seen this before I replaced mine (twice in 14 years!).
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!My yard reccomended 2 rivets every three feet. The reason for the 2 rivites is so you can use one hole to fish the PVC up and set the first rivet. Then you do the first rivet in the second set and come back to the second rivet in the first set.
Like this
**|— 3′ –|**|— 3′ –|**|— 3′ –|**|— 3′ –|**…If anyone has a better idea I’m open to it. This is just how it was explained to me. Doesn’t make it the only way.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Eric Lorentzon” <>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:22 PM
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Subject: Re: mast rewire rev 2The rig is down. I did consider conduit but not sure about attaching. Figured if I used rivits there would be a chafe point inside the conduit that could be an issue.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!If you have the rig down you could put in a PVC conduit. That is my plan.
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Quote:Great idea on the steel wire, was wondering how I would keep everything in place.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Looks like you could carry several spare lip seals (bellows as you refer to them) on the shaft if you wanted. That’s not too shabby.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “John Stevenson” <>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:41 AM
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Subject: Re: Shaft SealPatrick,
I replaced my stuffing box with a PSS seal in 2001. No regrets, but I thought I had a leaking seal and had great difficulty getting a wrench on it. So I had the seal replaced by the boat yard when it was hauled. I had a similar seal on my previous boat for about 15 years.
They work fine, but I must admit they are in many ways a solution looking for a problem. The traditional stuffing box is hard to beat.
If I were to do it again, I probably would have stayed with the traditional stuffing box, but if I decided to go dripless it would probably be the TidesMarine product rather than the PSS. With the TM product you can fit a spare bellows on the shaft. No need to pull the shaft if the bellows fails.u, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Rick Dugger < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Patrick,
At the recommendation of the guys at our marina, who deal with some very large motor vessels, I replaced my traditional stuffing box with the SureSeal system from TidesMarine two seasons ago.
Easy Install. No regrets. No problems.http://www.tidesmarine.com/shaft-seals.html
Rick
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I have a pretty traditional looking stuffing box and I’m curious if any of you have upgradedswapped out to a newer dripless type seal or if you have any particular comments about that.
I have the shaft out so at a minimum I’m going to repack it and I figure if it’s worth upgrading now would be the time, but as with everything I’m interested in hearing the pros and cons from any who have gone before.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Rick, from where in your raw water system did you draw the water intake and attach the outake?
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Rick Dugger” <>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:27 AM
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Subject: Re: Shaft SealPatrick,
At the recommendation of the guys at our marina, who deal with some very large motor vessels, I replaced my traditional stuffing box with the SureSeal system from TidesMarine two seasons ago.
Easy Install. No regrets. No problems.http://www.tidesmarine.com/shaft-seals.html
Rick
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I have a pretty traditional looking stuffing box and I’m curious if any of you have upgradedswapped out to a newer dripless type seal or if you have any particular comments about that.
I have the shaft out so at a minimum I’m going to repack it and I figure if it’s worth upgrading now would be the time, but as with everything I’m interested in hearing the pros and cons from any who have gone before.
Thanks,
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!I’ll mention what Chuck mentioned is that graphite packing is not allowed by the ABYC. Graphite is very noble and could cause an electrolosis problem on your shaft. I read this in Nigel Calder’s book as well last night.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Robert Fine” <>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: Shaft SealI will now add my two cents.
Any shaft seal system that requires removing the shaft for service is a disaster waiting to happen. No only will it eventually leak, but you’ll require a haul out to fix it. If it leaks or fails at sea, you’re screwed.
A traditional packing gland with graphite packing not only runs cooler, but can run dry. Teflon packing can’t run dry and the teflon actually will creep towards the rotation. I don’t really like it.
From my perspective, simpler is better.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!This is kind of an old thread; I’m looking for something and saw it.
What we did clean the bottom paint off of the strut and the grudgeon for the rudder and put on Barnacle Ban which is a zinc based paint. This is what we did to the shaft and prop last haul out and they stayed prety clean.
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@Tor wrote:
How do you get bottom paint to stick to the bronze prop shaft strut? Primer? Epoxy coating?
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Coastal Explorer goes for $399 and supports the features you mention.
http://www.rosepointnav.com/CoastalExplorer/KeyFeatures.htmI’ll still kep trying with OpenCPN too, I just find it pretty weird to use.
I’m also excited to try NavMonPC once I get all my NMEA systems installed
http://navmonpc.com/-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Rich Carter” <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Re: SW Charting Feature ComparisonI suppose you could get into a religious discussion about charting software. I’ve purchased three packages over the years, the most expensive two were Cap’n and Nobeltec. (I didn’t actually purchase Cap’n, I wrote some software for them and they sent it to me for free). I didn’t like it so I got Nobeltec VNS. It’s pretty good. I used to use my laptop for all my navigation, but now use a cockpit RADAR/Chartplotter for piloting and the notebook for planning. A good package runs about $500 these days, which is a piece of change. As I’ve said before, I wouldn’t waste my money if it didn’t have great route planning including currents overlay. Here’s a screen shot from my machine. My GPS isn’t connected. It overlays the raster charts into a quilt, so it looks like one continuous chart and overlays current arrows right on the screen. The blue boxes are raster charts (free download). When you zoom in, detail from smaller charts is shown automatically. Currents in my cruising area run typically a knot or so, but can run as high as 6 kts in a few spots, and they run in different directions at different times. You can mouse-over the current arrows and see what they are running. You set the time of day on the tool-bar. The dark line is a route I had previously run from Chatham to Woods-Hole. You can open a navigation window and set COG for each leg based on current predictions for the date and time you expect to depart and it computes the ETA for each waypoint. I go back and forth for each waypoint, checking the tide for that time of day and adjust SOG accordingly. I adjust my departure time to make use of the current. If I play it right, I can make an average SOG of 8+ kts yet only have a speed through the water of 6.5kts. Play it wrong and have an average SOG of 4kts. I have an older version of VNS. I should upgrade one of these days. It would be nice if route planning automatically adjust each leg speed for the current so I don’t have to manually enter it, but there are usually only a few legs in a route so it isn’t a big deal. It has a few annoying things that are probably fixed in later releases.
There are other packages out there. You can’t tell how good they are until you pay for them. Coastal Explorer looks similar to VNS. If it has quilting, current arrow overlay, and supports route planning as well as VNS it might be a good choice.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!I’ve tried to use it myself and I will say this, it is a pain in the butt and the charts are expensive.
But the question was what chart types are supported. 😉-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “John Stevenson” <>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: SW Charting Feature ComparisonPatrick,
Take a look at the ChartWorld sight. I don’t think it is for most of us. Looks to me they want to sell charts as a service not a product. You pay an annual fee for the charts. When you stop paying you lose the charts. I may have missed something, but that is what it looked like to me when I checked there sight a few years ago. Their service seemed to oriented to the fleet owners (cargo, charter, etc.) and crewed yachts that move all over the world.On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Patrick Walters < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Good suggestion. I am just getting started with that list. Mostly I threw it up there so I’d stop worrying about remembering things I wanted to look into.Coastal Explorer Chart support: http://www.rosepointnav.com/CoastalExplorer/NewCharts.htm also supports Navionics S-57 through Chartworld.
I’ll add SOB (Australian company apparently) to my list, thanks!
I’m still torn with the ComputerChartplotter. Chartplotters like hardenede laptops are overpriced and quickly outdated. Might be better to just add a hardened touchscreen to the cockput and use multi-monitor and just have one unit tracking in the nav station.
Then you can also watch a movie in the cockpit. 😉 But I’m not sold on any one way yet. Just still looking.-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “John Stevenson” < ([email][/email])>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:11 AM
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Subject: Re: Radar / ChartplotterPatrick,
That’s a good start on evaluating the PC-based chart plotters. I wish I had used similar logic in my selection, I just backed into my choices based on price. For your evaluation I would also record what chart types each supports (e.g., ENC57, Raster, C-Map, Navionics, etc.). For example I really like the way Coast Explorer handles NOAA ENCs and knits them with the RNCs. However, CE does not support (or at least didn’t the last time I checked) any of the proprietary formats (C-Map/Navionics). So it is a great product for coastal navigation around the US, but not much use if you head to Mexico or the Caribbean. For US coastal cruising I’ll stick with Fugawi, although I really don’t like the product. At least it will support Navionics for cruising outside of the US.
I recommend you take a look at Software On Board (SOB) from DigiBoat. It used to be the cheapest of the quality plotters ($70), I think it is now over $200. It only supports C-Map, so not the best solution for US coastal cruising, but it is one of the most robust products I’ve looked at. I much prefer it to Fugawi (which I have) or MaxSea and Nobeltec (which I don’t). When I helped a few cruisers implement AIS while in Europe on both products I found them to be confusing and very counter-intuitive as well as vastly overpriced. I used SOB exclusively on my PC when cruising Europe and then last winter in the Bahamas (Navionics is worse than useless in the Bahamas).
One thing to keep in mind is how will you use the chart plotter while in the cockpit. That is why I ended up with both the Raymarine plotter (for the cockpit) and the PC plotter for serious navigation at the nav desk. Having the Raymarine plotter visible in the cockpit is great when making a landfall or entering a harbor. Off-shore it is just an entertainment tool for the night watch.Eric,
I have the Raymarine Pathfinder radar and C120 display using Navionics charts. I am satisfied enough with it (or short enough of expendable funds) to stick with it. Like Bob, if I were to make that purchase today it would likely be different – probably Furuno or Garmin. Raymarine seems to be concentrating on the mega-yacht business rather than we small-yacht cruisers. As others have pointed out, I will hold onto what I have until the newer technology improves.
With regard to paper charts. It’s been years since I last pulled out one of my paper charts and they are now way out of date. The next time I go to a SSCA GAM I’ll probably dump them. I think you are on the right track to practice navigation using conventional charts, but very few cruisers I know use them underway. The common practice ( or at least my practice) is to collect a few charts of specific harbors you intend to visit or represent harbors of refuge and up-to-date cruising guides along with the electronic charts. New paper charts now are just too expensive.On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Patrick Walters < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:According to Ben Ellison (http://www.Panbo.com) the pulse systems to indeed have less range and because of that less of an ability to view weather but they do have HUGE gains in <1NM resolution. If you're mostly concerned about navigating fog. I think the pulse system is for you. If you're main concern is offshore I'd either go with a traditional RADAR or wait a year and see if the pulse systems improve their range.I’m starting to do some reasearch on PC based Navigation Software and I’m looking at which ones have RADAR overlay. You might want to check that list out.
http://www.deepplaya.com/wiki/Navigation-Software.ashx-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: ()
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Subject: Re: Radar / ChartplotterEric
I originally purchased a RADAR unit in 1986 for my 424. It may be the same model as you presently have. I replaced it a few years back with a JRC color RADAR/chartplotter and never regretted it. JRC makes the guts of many of the RADAR units such as Raymarine but are less costly. JRC stopped selling under their own name. Distributors put them out on clearance. I bought mine for about $1300. This is the only distributor I could find with a websearch. They want too much money for what they have in stock. If you keep your eye out you might find one for a little over a grand.
http://www.boatersworld.com/bm/RadarAutopilots/JRC/316300565.htmlI mounted my display in the cockpit. I put a teak mounting panel on the binnacle guard. I’m not entirely pleased with the instrument mount and may redo it, but it works.
http://www.richardcarter.net/Cockpit.htmlI too cruise in the Northeast. I really like having the RADAR/chartplotter at the wheel. I have a laptop below that runs Nobletec which does a lot better job as a chartplotter but running below to navigate is a pain. I rarely need the RADAR but use it when its convenient. Power consumption isn’t a big deal. The FURUNO used a lot more power. If your budget is limited, go for an inexpenive unit and skip the bells and whistles. Most collisions occur at closer distances than 12 miles. Having a long-range and powerful RADAR is of limited use. My Furuno was a better RADAR unit but it sucked down the watts and I had to mount it below. The JRC works just fine and doesn’t run down my batteries.
Don’t forget to budget for charts. The c-map cartridges are expensive.
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Rich
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!According to Ben Ellison (http://www.Panbo.com) the pulse systems to indeed have less range and because of that less of an ability to view weather but they do have HUGE gains in <1NM resolution. If you're mostly concerned about navigating fog. I think the pulse system is for you. If you're main concern is offshore I'd either go with a traditional RADAR or wait a year and see if the pulse systems improve their range.
I’m starting to do some reasearch on PC based Navigation Software and I’m looking at which ones have RADAR overlay. You might want to check that list out.
http://www.deepplaya.com/wiki/Navigation-Software.ashx-p
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Subject: Re: Radar / Chartplotterp { margin: 0; } Eric
I originally purchased a RADAR unit in 1986 for my 424. It may be the same model as you presently have. I replaced it a few years back with a JRC color RADAR/chartplotter and never regretted it. JRC makes the guts of many of the RADAR units such as Raymarine but are less costly. JRC stopped selling under their own name. Distributors put them out on clearance. I bought mine for about $1300. This is the only distributor I could find with a websearch. They want too much money for what they have in stock. If you keep your eye out you might find one for a little over a grand.
http://www.boatersworld.com/bm/RadarAutopilots/JRC/316300565.htmlI mounted my display in the cockpit. I put a teak mounting panel on the binnacle guard. I’m not entirely pleased with the instrument mount and may redo it, but it works.
http://www.richardcarter.net/Cockpit.htmlI too cruise in the Northeast. I really like having the RADAR/chartplotter at the wheel. I have a laptop below that runs Nobletec which does a lot better job as a chartplotter but running below to navigate is a pain. I rarely need the RADAR but use it when its convenient. Power consumption isn’t a big deal. The FURUNO used a lot more power. If your budget is limited, go for an inexpenive unit and skip the bells and whistles. Most collisions occur at closer distances than 12 miles. Having a long-range and powerful RADAR is of limited use. My Furuno was a better RADAR unit but it sucked down the watts and I had to mount it below. The JRC works just fine and doesn’t run down my batteries.
Don’t forget to budget for charts. The c-map cartridges are expensive.
Regards
Rich
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!The one thing I’d really like is email notifications from the forum so I can follow threads instead of getting every single email in my inbox. There is a modification for this under development which is in RC. I’m monitoring it waiting for it to go live. I was just curious.
http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=922015I think a WIKI might be nice too then we can all edit stuff as opposed to you having to do everything yourself which doesn’t really seem fair.
BTW, what’s all this costing you? I feel like we should send you some $ to help out.
Thanks!
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Subject: Re: Pearson424.org is movingI believe so.. what in particular are you looking for ?
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Will the new host let you/us customize phpbb?
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Will the new host let you/us customize phpbb?
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Pearson424.org will be moving to a new host. – I’m working on it
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!The plan to remove the thru hull was to grind off the outside and then push it in. That did not work so I had the yard get it out. They cut it out because the bolts were glassed into the hull and then the inside of the thru hull was attached on top of that glass pad. Anyway, I bet it took 15 minutes to cut out with their air powered tools.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “kalinowski” <>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Windlass shaft from basePatrick: Our boat still has the original Sea Tiger, so I can’t help you there. I scanned your photos though and expecially noted the sea cock pix. It looks like you just cut out the whole assembly from the hull. Was it that much of a horror story to get it out? Lady Leanne has one that is frozen open (head sink) and one that doesn’t completely close. I’m sure they are original and I’m now wondering how big a job this will be. Any guidance as I plan for haul out? Thanks
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!
