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Sorry I meant to say, it has to go out the bottom, but I’m not sure if it’s force or a salty secret. anyone have ideas?
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Taken by deepplaya http://www.flickr.com/photos/26558453@N03/4161101383http://www.flickr.com/photos/26558453@N03/4161101383
Anyone have ideas on which way the shaft comes out of the base? Exploded drawing isn’t very helpful.
Thanks,
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Not sure of the costs but I’d check out the kind that mount internal to the hull and the extend out when in operation.
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Sent from my phoneOn Dec 5, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Jim Ashworth < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hello, fellow 424 owners,
I’ve been rather absent for quite a while….have over 800 emails to review on this list. In fact, I’ve not had much chance to attack boat projects, either, due to family commitments.
But one that stays high on the project list is a bow thruster. I know intuitively that if I practice better techniques, I should be able to manuveur without one. But I’m on the Mississippi right now, with a current that normally flows right through our marina, and at times when the wind combines with the current, it’s next to impossible.
I’ve been reluctant to install the conventional thruster, with a tunnel through the boat, but have recently seen ads for the eXturn by Marrino, which mounts external. They say that it actually produces less drag than a conventional tunnel (rather short tube, although it sticks off the bottom of the bow), and that its design allows flotsum to slide over it. Installation is much simplified, and due to limited room just aft of the forward water tank (about the only place you can get to), that space could more easily accomodate the battery(s) to run it (and perhaps a windlass, another item on my list).
Does anyone have any experience with an eXturn, or advice on thrusters in general? My wife would like it to be on our Christmas list. Thanks!! Jim Ashworth
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:34 PM, pat noordsij <()> wrote:
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Here’s a handly link for looking up the rules:
Navigation Rules Online
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Robert Fine” <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Nav LightsAn anchor light must be an all around white light and for our boats, I believe visible for three miles (it might be two). Split lights are not legal anchor lights. That’s why they’re typically at the top of a cabin or mast – so a single light can be seen and not confused with anything else.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!I bought an OGM LED with Strobe and Photdiode it is not installed yet and the masts are still laying in their cradles in the yard.
https://secure.orcagreen.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16134&cat=249&page=1I do not plan on removing my deck level lights though, just didn’t seem worth it to me, although they look like crap so maybe some day I’ll care enough to replace them, but it’s not a priority.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom:
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If your masthead lights go out you still have your deck lights. I have a 12v relay setup. It is energized by the ignition key. When I turn the engine on it switches the nav lights over from masthead to deck to keep me legal. There’s a three position switch for each set. The three positions are: On, Off, auto. Both are normally left in “auto”. The whole thing is powered through the nav-light circuit-breaker. To turn on the nav-lights I turn on the breaker. I can bypass the relay and either force each set of lights on or off.I also have a similar switch for the engine blower.
I’ve considered putting a photo-detector switch in to automate the anchor light. It would switch on at dusk and off at dawn.
Regards
Rich
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!A4 grade 1/4″ Birch plywood which we primed on one side prior to
putting up with epoxy which is what the yard reccommended.We’re going to finish off the cabin top sides and the new headliner in
white paint to brighten up the place a bit. So material wasn’t too
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What material did you end up using?
Pete
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Not planning to do as extensive a repair in any other places only the salon was really bad.
If you pulled the drip rail and the teak plywood slipped then you probably pulled out some screws I’m guessing.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Linus Martinez” <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:43 PM
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Are you doing the vee berth as well? I pulled on the grab-drip rail to turn around to get out of bed and it made the panel slip down. I can push it back up but don’t know how to secure it in place. It just moved about an inch in the forward end.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!This is how ours appears to be have installed at the factory:
The 1/4″ teak plywood is tied into the drip rail which is actually two pieces of wood sandwiching the 1/4″ plywood which extends up the cabin sides. That approximately 9′ piece of plywood was then attached to the cabin sides with some sort of black glue or possibly a substance derived from an alien life formHow we are doing the repair:
Demolition
First we removed all the dead wood down to the drip rail. We did not remove or seperate the two piece of the drip rail. We had two pieces about 20″ wide where we now had no plywood. We cleaned everything with mineral spirits and let that all evaporate.New Base Layer
We then took a piece of lumber that slid behind the existing plywood on both sides of the gap and screwed it into down into the drip rail. You can see that piece of wood in this pic, let’s call it the “tie-in” http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/4127599414/
I had to bevel this tie-in a bit with a chisel so when the new plywood was laid up it would all lay flush. Next I put 5200 Fast Cure on the cabin sides around the porthole opening and on the tie-in wood I just mentioned, put in the new piece base layer plywood and screwed the plywood into the tie-in and put clamps on it as well. http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/4127478054/in/set-72157622793614824/ We actually used more clamps than that, but I don’t have that pic handy.Finish Layer
On top of this we’re going to place another piece of 1/4″ plywood which will be our finished surface and will tie all the pieces togther it will actually be two 4’6″ pieces (on the starboard side anyway). The prepped, sanded and primed finish layer will be put up with either 4200 (aka the 5200 that isn’t as extreme) or liquid nails low VOC paneling glue and I will use small screws along the bottom edge to tie it all into the drip rail. We will use some sort of tensioning rods, or 2×4 with wedges with push on the finishing layer while the glue sets up. Dawn will then maticulously fill and cover any screw holes because that’s how Dawn does everything, she’s good that way. 🙂Then we can install the new NFW portholes.
That’s the plan…
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom:
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There are five portlights on each side to hold the panels in place. There is a grab-rail piece that runs the full length of the bottom and there are pins to hold the molding at the top edge. This all worked to hold the small section I replaced. Offhand, I can’t see why it wouldn’t work for the entire interior. I of course haven’t tried it, so I’m interested to hear how their project turns out. The section I replaced had no adhesive to hold it in place. I had assumed the portlights make this unnecessary.I have a small rotted piece between the two aft portlights on the port side. This area is behind the bulkhead and galley cabinets, difficult to see and almost impossible to replace.
Rich
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!The problem isn’t in pushing it up their initially, just in pushing on all 9’6″x1’5″ of it for hours while the glue sets up.
Robert’s suggest of using 2×4’s with wedges is a good one. I’ll ask at the yard too. I’m taking Wednesday off to work on the boat and borrow tools from them. Maybe I should make them a turkey too. 😉
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Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Ideas to successfully hang new panelingp { margin: 0; } Dawn
I replaced a small section of teak plywood around one of the portlights a few months back. I’m surprised that you find it difficult to bend the panels. When cut to the appropriate width, the stock I used was quite flexible. I used teak plywood, a little less than 1/4 inch thick, probably a metric equivalent. There was no adhesive used to hold the plywood in place and I suggest not using any. It would make subsequent repairs difficult.Rich
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!If you know what Coast Guard district it is, look on their web site. I bet you they have a story and even a video possibly.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Silver Heels”
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Coast guard rescue -Sat-5 crew members-30miles off Cape LookoutJoe,
No, I had not heard about the sinking. The weather was not extreme Saturday.
Tor
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Re-inforcing the v-berth is on the list and the room is taped and bagged off already. 😉
Bill Shaw’s instructions: http://www.deepplaya.com/wiki/Bow-Reinforcing.ashxGood call though… I’ll look around.
Dawn has pulled the starboard portholes and is now cleaning up the mess. As always pics and more to come at the blog. You might want to check in on the flickr account if you want to see things before I get around to writing it up.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “quent” <>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Waterline Blisters and Gell Coat CracksIf you have significant cracking, gelcoat of deeper, esp. vertical cracks, take a good look at tabing on interior, bulkheads, shelves, etc. We had that, and it took a bit of work to get her glassed back together.
Look at the hull sides up in the v-berth as well.
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!I’m going to drain the water, pull the hoses, plug the dip stick hole and carefully (with light force) grind out that corrosion using a stainless steel brush. Then I can see what I have left. I think its not as bad as it looks, the pic I sent still had some of the paper gasket in the way and confusing what you were seeing, but we’ll see.
Thanks!
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Chuck Ruble” <>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:48 AM
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Subject: Re: V-DrivePatrick, I found a similar mess in mine. The offset vanes I was able to snap off with my thumb and forefinger. I ended up with a new RV26. Not a drop in replacement, some minor mods to the mount and engine output shaft.
Chuck
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Patrick Walters < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I am poking around at my v-drive and thought some of you might like to see the pics where I opened it up a little bit.
Input shaft http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/4115846727
Cooling jacket http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/4115846789/-p
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Well Deep Playa is in the yard right now, refit is chugging along:
view on the hard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/4099564005/So let’s just start a company for now…. 😉
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Robert Fine” <>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:05 AM
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Subject: Re: Web StuffGo as in go in a fleet or go as in go to form a company? Either way, as long as we do something that can be done from the boat, we’re bound to do well!
Bob
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Patrick Walters < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I’m ready to go now and I’m not joking!
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Sent from my phoneOn Nov 13, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
You know, I think you, John Stevenson, and I should form a company – Maybe Pat Noordij, too. We could travel in a fleet.
🙂
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Patrick Walters < ([email][/email]) ([email][/email])> wrote:
I’m a test manager by job title but a program manager by genetics. We’re all geeks in some way. 😉
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.deepplaya.com/http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Robert Fine” < ([email][/email]) ([email][/email])>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 4:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Web StuffHi Pat,
Believe it or not, so can I. That sort of thing was my job for a long time, including programming and database design. The problem is that like the cobbler’s children, I can’t face working on my own site – that’s why I use blogger. I’m just too lazy…
Bob
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Thanks! If you want one of your own I can help you set it up.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.deepplaya.com/http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Robert Fine” < ([email][/email]) ([email][/email])>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Stuff about the refitHey, Pat! That is an awesome site, dude!
Bob
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New post: http://deepplaya.com/post/The-Refit-begins-%21.aspxhttp://deepplaya.com/post/The-Refit-begins-!.aspx
Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/sets/72157622793614824/http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/sets/72157622793614824/Enjoy…
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Garhauer’s site says $10 per foot:
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=85-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “John Stevenson” <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:02 PM
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Subject: Re: genoa trackTor,
I purchased a couple of 2′ sections of track from Garhauer at the boat show for my stay sail track. I don’t remember what they charged me, but it must have not been much for me not to remember it.http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewSolentStayFinish.html
Thanks for the suggestion of rope caulk. More than few ducks must have drowned here in New Bern over the last week, but not a drop through the track fasteners.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Hi Tor,
It’s a standard track that you can get from Defenders, West Marine (maybe), or many other places. Sometimes, the track is in two pieces – the top part for the slide and the piece under it. I’ve seen them both ways. But the 1-1/4″ track is pretty standard.
Bob
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!Yes it is vertical. I don’t believe there were any standard windlasses. I have a letter between the PO and Pearson about where to install the windlass which was clearly after the PO had taken delivery from Pearson.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Aaron Lynch” ()
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:36 PM
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Subject: Re: Removing Progress IILooks like you have a vertical windlass instead of the OEL sea tiger?
If that’s the case… No clue
On 11/15/09 12:36 PM, “Patrick Walters” <> wrote:
I’m pulling my windlass as part of moving it to a more desirable location (not at knee height in the v-berth) and while I have the manuals they are pretty poor about installation and removal. There are four bolts attaching the motor to the deck half of the windlass. I’ve pulled those. There is what looks like a large nut on the bottom of the motor inline with the shaft of the windlass. It makes complete sense to me that this a locking nut, complete with a notch for tightening and looseing and that I need to get it off, but in their drawings it’s labeled as a seal so I’m wary to go at it too aggresively.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!I’m ready to go now and I’m not joking!
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Sent from my phoneOn Nov 13, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
You know, I think you, John Stevenson, and I should form a company – Maybe Pat Noordij, too. We could travel in a fleet.
🙂
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Patrick Walters <()> wrote:
I’m a test manager by job title but a program manager by genetics. We’re all geeks in some way. 😉
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comSent: Friday, November 13, 2009 4:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Web StuffHi Pat,
Believe it or not, so can I. That sort of thing was my job for a long time, including programming and database design. The problem is that like the cobbler’s children, I can’t face working on my own site – that’s why I use blogger. I’m just too lazy…
Bob
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Walters <()> wrote:
Thanks! If you want one of your own I can help you set it up.
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Robert Fine” <()>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Stuff about the refitHey, Pat! That is an awesome site, dude!
Bob
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Patrick Walters <()> wrote:
New post: http://deepplaya.com/post/The-Refit-begins-!.aspx
Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepplaya/sets/72157622793614824/Enjoy…
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!
